Moaist comback?

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Moaist comback?

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I read an article along similar lines that stated something to the effect that The CCP viewed the move to more open economics in the 90's as a way to play catch up to the west in technology and military power, and now that they've caught up, it's time to for the "adults" to take charge again.

30 years seems like a long time for any government to stick to a strategy, so this could very well be party theorists (or fellow travelers in the west) coming up with an ideological explanation for party policy during the past 3 decades.

And either way, the hardcore fanatics can use this as an opportunity to purge undesirable elements much as what happened when Mao allowed open criticism of the party before kicking off the Cultural Revolution.
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If it turns out like the Cultural Revolution, we may not have much to worry about. There will be a great deal of internal purges, and they'll lose more technical skill than they expected. Sending doctors, scientists, and engineers to labor camps is a great way to lose doctors, scientists, and engineers. Then comes the blocking out of foreign cultural traffic like movies and music.

Hmm. The CCP eats its best and brightest, causing our entertainment industry to collapse due to market loss.

I'm not sure how good to feel about that idea. Really good, or ecstatically good?
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"30 years seems like a long time for any government to stick to a strategy, "
To us. Ask the NVA and the Taliban.

The Chinese tend to think and plan in terms of centuries and millenia.
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A) An acquaintance is very familiar with Chinese culture. He claims all that matters to them is making more money. Right now, HK is pissed, because they’re making less than they were before. If Xi causes the rest of China to stop making money, my guess is he ends up like Stalin, smothered in a back room by other high ranking party members.

B) Money is freedom. Beijing wants to end it for the same reason DC has its war on private capital.

C) China does alternate between outward looking and inward looking phases. Frankly, they might be looking at the barbarians taking over Europe and the US and thinking it’s time to sit stuff out for a bit.
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BDK wrote: Fri Sep 24, 2021 4:06 pm A) An acquaintance is very familiar with Chinese culture. He claims all that matters to them is making more money. Right now, HK is pissed, because they’re making less than they were before. If Xi causes the rest of China to stop making money, my guess is he ends up like Stalin, smothered in a back room by other high ranking party members.

B) Money is freedom. Beijing wants to end it for the same reason DC has its war on private capital.

C) China does alternate between outward looking and inward looking phases. Frankly, they might be looking at the barbarians taking over Europe and the US and thinking it’s time to sit stuff out for a bit.
To the Party, allowing others to make money was only ever a means to preserve power. Now the Party has seemed to decide that others are making too much money and that is a threat to their power.

I doubt they will go full Mao, but they my be surprised how much capita (fiscal and intellectual) flees from even just a moderate amount.

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SoupOrMan wrote: Fri Sep 24, 2021 4:59 amHmm. The CCP eats its best and brightest, causing our entertainment industry to collapse due to market loss.

I'm not sure how good to feel about that idea. Really good, or ecstatically good?
I'd read elsewhere that Hollywood was losing money because China had developed its own native cinema to the point the don't need Hollywood. So all that pandering turned out to be worthless. Reminds me of the frog and the scorpion a bit except the scorpion will make out OK this time.
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Weetabix wrote: Mon Sep 27, 2021 6:26 pm I'd read elsewhere that Hollywood was losing money because China had developed its own native cinema to the point the don't need Hollywood.
They've had their own major studios since the 90s, remember they now own Hong Kong...

The issue is, They limit foreign films to just 50 a year, and those 50 will be available to the largest single market in the world - the issue is getting it on on the first place. Some star connected to the studio says something that can be twisted to be even mild criticism of the CCP? All films from that studio BANNEd until the individual in question makes proper apologies, or is dropped by the studio...


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Weetabix wrote: Mon Sep 27, 2021 6:26 pm
SoupOrMan wrote: Fri Sep 24, 2021 4:59 amHmm. The CCP eats its best and brightest, causing our entertainment industry to collapse due to market loss.

I'm not sure how good to feel about that idea. Really good, or ecstatically good?
I'd read elsewhere that Hollywood was losing money because China had developed its own native cinema to the point the don't need Hollywood. So all that pandering turned out to be worthless. Reminds me of the frog and the scorpion a bit except the scorpion will make out OK this time.
Their media productions are already better than ours, and their young stars are MUCH more appealing than anything we've done lately. Yes I watch mainland China rom coms.

Makes me think of all our industrial and tech companies that let all their IP be stolen in order to have (temporary, it turns out) access to the Chinese market starting in the 90's.
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