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Say hello to Crook County new Illinois State Attorney
Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2008 1:42 am
by scipioafricanus
Oh man, I thought I have seen it all in the Crook, so why get upset? But this... so blatant, so honest... so not qualified to hold her position.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WuYiacyAUDU&fmt=18
From the ISRA
The ISRA-PVF is warning Cook County (IL) voters that Democratic candidate Anita Alvarez is unsuitable for the position of Cook County State's Attorney. This warning comes in light of statements made by Alvarez during an interview taped for the cable-TV show, "Public Affairs with Jeff Berkowitz." The video of the Alvarez interview may be seen at:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WuYiacyAUDU.
During her December 9, 2007 interview with Berkowitz, Alvarez states that a homeowner does not have the right to use a firearm to defend family and self from home invaders. Alvarez goes on to state that women do not have a right to use a gun to defend themselves against violent assault or to defend themselves from abusive spouses.
Later in the interview, Alvarez states that she does not "believe in" the 2nd Amendment to the U.S. Constitution and that she would support a law that would both prevent anyone from purchasing firearms, and provide for the confiscation of firearms owned by law-abiding citizens.
"Anita Alvarez possesses a seriously flawed view of the U.S. Constitution along with a cavalier disregard for the safety of law-abiding citizens," commented ISRA-PVF spokesman Richard Pearson. "That's a bad combination for the crime-weary citizens of Cook County."
"Alvarez holds to the gun control movement's tired notion that people who are robbed, raped and murdered are just victims of a bad roll of the dice," continued Pearson. "Alvarez makes her feelings perfectly clear in the TV interview. As far as Alvarez is concerned, if the police arrive in time to save a victim, fine. If not, then the victim just becomes another statistic. To Anita Alvarez, achieving the political objective of banning guns is more important than saving innocent lives."
"Cook County needs a State's Attorney who will be tough on crime while respecting the rights of law-abiding citizens," said Pearson. "What Cook County doesn't need is another dreamy-eyed gun controller like Anita Alvarez as its top law-enforcement officer. That is why the ISRA-PVF has endorsed the candidacy of Tony Peraica for Cook County State's Attorney."
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Re: Say hello to Crook County new Illinois State Attorney
Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2008 1:53 am
by Dub_James
Perhaps in the future, when it comes time to "refresh the tree", we can finally get one thing right; When setting up a new Government, we'll do the right thing this time and make it illegal to stand for any office if one holds these kinds of beliefs.
That's part of the reason we keep having to fight against this. We allow it to take a position of power. Next time round, we should correct that mistake.
Re: Say hello to Crook County new Illinois State Attorney
Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2008 2:50 am
by Spells
Dub_James wrote:Perhaps in the future, when it comes time to "refresh the tree", we can finally get one thing right; When setting up a new Government, we'll do the right thing this time and make it illegal to stand for any office if one holds these kinds of beliefs.
Thought crime. LMAO, nice.
Re: Say hello to Crook County new Illinois State Attorney
Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2008 4:25 am
by FastRope71
Well it's not the same as saying that we should bar someone who thinks that God smokes cannabis from holding powerful positions or a guy that like another man's hairy butt should be barred from holding an elected or appointed office.
It is saying that nobody who cannot support the foundations of our Constitution should be allowed to hold a position where they could compromise it. Each state had to agree to uphold the Bill of Rights in order to be accepted into the Union. Placing people in charge that undermine that agreement is like saying "but we had our fingers crossed! Neener neener!"
I swear, Spells, When I read your posts I hear my brother's voice. He's an arrogant, socialist, Provocateur with delusions of [strike]adequacy[/strike] superiority. Somehow I tend to think you two would talk for hours and not find much to disagree on. Then again, if I had better judgment I'd be living a much more comfortable life, so I could be wrong.
While DubJames might have chosen his words more carefully, I support his idea that those who cannot uphold the foundations of our freedom and liberty do not deserve the responsibility and privileges that go with the sundry offices available. By their very virtue (or lack thereof) they undermine the strength of the people's liberty they are supposed to be stewards of.
If that is something you cannot agree with, then I can only speculate what your purpose is here in our little corner of the internet, beyond stirring the pudding and acting like a generally well behaved troll.
Re: Say hello to Crook County new Illinois State Attorney
Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2008 4:36 am
by Dub_James
Spells wrote:Dub_James wrote:Perhaps in the future, when it comes time to "refresh the tree", we can finally get one thing right; When setting up a new Government, we'll do the right thing this time and make it illegal to stand for any office if one holds these kinds of beliefs.
Thought crime. LMAO, nice.
Not really, if you'd stopped to put 5 seconds worth of thought into it. But let me explain, since you haven't;
I never said they couldn't think it. I never said they couldn't believe it. I said they should be prevented from
imposing it on others.
It's just like pedophilia; I don't care what's going on in their heads, so long as it remains in their heads.
If we can't trust a pedophile with power over children, why should be trust the chronically fascist with power over the People?
I trust that's understandable now?
Re: Say hello to Crook County new Illinois State Attorney
Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2008 2:22 pm
by BobTheWitch
Could this be dealt with in oaths of office?
When an employee of a state agency I had to sign an oath to uphold the state constitution....
Seems simple enough to me, without any of this Straw man of "thought crime"
Re: Say hello to Crook County new Illinois State Attorney
Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2008 2:52 pm
by Dub_James
BobTheWitch wrote:Could this be dealt with in oaths of office?
When an employee of a state agency I had to sign an oath to uphold the state constitution....
Seems simple enough to me, without any of this Straw man of "thought crime"
They already have to do that, as you've said, and yet we still have the same problem. They simply ignore the oath when it suits them, and face no real consequences when they do so.
I'm talking about holding them to their oaths by threat of punishment. You propose a piece of legislation that violates one of the Amendments? Prison time, 5 year minimum up to a possible 45, automatic withdrawal of the proposed legislation, banned from any Government position for life after completion of the sentence. Covering local, State and the Federal level. A quick trial, no plea-bargaining, then sentencing. You want to be in Government? You bear the responsibility.
In order to prevent the bad behavior we get from politicians, it has to cost them heavily. Sadly, it seems to be the only way.
Re: Say hello to Crook County new Illinois State Attorney
Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2008 3:22 pm
by Spells
I love when people say they didn't say exactly what they said, and instead claim to have said something completely different, when it was typed out and sits in the same thread on the Internet.
Dub_James wrote:I never said they couldn't think it. I never said they couldn't believe it. I said they should be prevented from imposing it on others.
No, maybe that's what you meant, but you said that holding the belief should not only disqualify them from public office, but that their
even running should be ILLEGAL. How long would it take for opponents to accuse somebody of illegal beliefs to prevent their running for office?
Welcome to America. People are allowed to hold ANY DUMBASS BELIEFS THEY WANT in this country. Let the voters decide if those beliefs disqualify them or not. It's worked fine for a long time.
Seems simple enough to me, without any of this Straw man of "thought crime"
A straw man attack involves attacking somebody for something they don't actually think. I assumed that when he specifically used "illegal" in bold that he emphasized it because he believed it. It's not like I put words in his mouth.
Re: Say hello to Crook County new Illinois State Attorney
Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2008 4:37 pm
by DougWojtowicz
Hey, if Alvarez doesn't believe in firearms for defense, then she should work RIGHT AWAY TO DISARM EVERY COP IN COOK COUNTY.
After all, police are just citizens too. We don't need their guns, right?
That way, when the criminals want to make an example of her, they can stroll past the gelded cops, grab her and saw her head off with a pocket knife and laugh at the impotent men and women who should have been armed and capable of defending an officer of the court.
Frankly, I'd love to see Daley after a week of a disarmed Chicago Police Force. The fat moron wouldn't dare leave his mansion now that his bodyguards aren't strapped.
Re: Say hello to Crook County new Illinois State Attorney
Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2008 5:24 pm
by Precision
Spells -- Banned
today was a good day to wake up.
I also believe that there should be consequences to flagrant violations of oaths of office. Much like I believe there should be consequences (personal fines / prison time) for the asshats in local government that still pass anti-gun laws when the state has taken complete control of said lawmaking.