Obama vs. McCain: Sexual Issues

[84Charlie]

workinwifdakids wrote:

McCain won't stop you from fucking how you want.




Would that be said Anne Hathaway joke?


There was a story about how Hathaway like the buttsecks in the press the other day.

[randy]

McCain understands we are in a war and sounds like he is prepared to fight it as a war. Well except for the whole securing our borders thing. But he does seem to understand that the best way to pursue this is to kill the bastards, over there.

Hopey McChange obviously does not understand what being in a war means, has no intention of fighting it, at best wants to treat it like a Law Enforcement issue, and thinks that "dialog" can do anything but delay and provide time for the barbarians to prepare more for the next active phase. I'm also quite convinced that, even if he were to acknowledge we were in a war, he would not really be sure whether the US "deserves" to win.

We are in WWIV, and in the long run (10-20 years) it will determine whether we can survive as a free republic. If we lose, the new dark ages are upon us. If we wait too long to get serious about winning it, then our society will have to turn into something none of the members of this board will like or would recommend in order to survive, let alone win.

Against that, everything else is trivial.

#2 is the Second Amendment. How politician views and votes on that issue show whether he believes that we are his fellow citizens, or whether we are mere subjects. While McCain is not perfect on this score, Barry obviously falls into the "you're all peons" category.

That view impacts abortion, gay marriage, health care,etc., because politicians that don't respect the Bill of Rights including the Second Amendment, don't really believe we have any rights. We have the privilege of access to abortions and of "getting married" to a same sex partner only so long as it is politically expedient for them. Those "rights" will disappear in a heartbeat if necessary to maintain their power base and positions in office.

Basically the other subjects are non-issues to me because the decision is obvious based on 1 and 2 above. McCain isn't perfect by a long shot, but he's apparently willing to let us coast into Hell, while Barry and his ilk are trying to stomp on the accelerator and hold it to the floor.

[Combat Controller]

I support Gay Marriage (civil unions, whatever) and the right to have an abortion. Not too keen on anything after the third trimester mind, but still that is where I stand.

I am voting for McCain because I am not a fucking communist.

[Jered]

Obama has already demonstrated that he doesn't respect the First Amendment as well as the Second. We could probably make the case that he doesn't respect IX and X too, but unfortunately, no one in political office seems to, these days.

[cu74]

I support Gay Marriage (civil unions, whatever) and the right to have an abortion. Not too keen on anything after the third trimester mind, but still that is where I stand.

I am voting for McCain because I am not a fucking communist.

Seeing as how you have admitted to being a snob and a rat bastard on another post, I am reluctant to agree with you, but I do. My small "l" libertarian vote will go to McCain, not because I like him but because I loathe The Obamessiah and all he represents.

[DougWojtowicz]

I'm fine with the "Morning After" pill and anything that doesn't involve something that looks human being removed from a mother's womb. Partial birth abortions, however, are an abomination, and seriously, we need better sex education to get kids NOT to have sex, or if they do want to have an orgasm with someone else, there's oral, anal and digital manipulation which WILL NOT GET THE GIRL PREGNANT.

And whatever happened to a magazine, a Kleenex and a locked door?

And I do not mind a same sex civil union allowing things such as inheritance and survivor's insurance benefits. No, not do not mind - I wholly believe in it. If two consenting adults are in a monagamous, loving relationship, then they should have the right to call their loved one husband or wife.

They are devoted to each other, not promiscuous scumbags looking for a new piece of ass every weekend. I'll consent to calling it a civil union so the hand-wringing dimwits don't throw a hissy fit over it being a "gay marriage" (GASP!) but damn, considering how many straight people cheat, divorce, or engage in horrible abuse of their spouses, maybe THOSE problems should be fixed for heterosexual marriages before the idiot snobs get all panty-bunched for gay marriage.

[Spells]

Just doing research for my own personal voting decision, but there are a fair number of opinions on this board that I respect. To jump straight into it then: I support abortion and gay marriage. Do any of you feel strongly one way or another regarding the 2 candidates on those issues? Specifically, to anyone who does support those issues, how does it alter your stance in the current race?

Abortion: McCain is against it in except in the case of rape, incest, or risk of life to the mother. Palin is against those as well. Obama has a 100% NARAL rating, strongly pro choice. They're at the opposite ends of the spectrum.

Gay Marriage: Neither McCain or Obama support gay marriage.

However you feel about abortion, if it's a major voting issue for you, it's not exactly a close call.

[Aglifter]

Not that it matters anymore, but abortion isn't really a federal issue -- those laws are actually state laws. Personally, I think the most recent case may have balanced the rights as well as they can be (once the child is sufficiently developed able to be kept alive by medical science, he has become too old to be aborted)... That we have the technology is take animals, at tremendous expense, and w. great waste, from sperm and ova through term, puts another wrinkle on it, but it's doubtful it will be done w. humans (the research would simply cost far too many deaths.)

The only hiccup I have about gay marriage -- it would certainly be a better option than the current schemes using "adult adoption," which is really disturbing -- is that there's insufficient protection of churches, etc in this area. (actually, in both areas, there's insufficient protection of the religious beliefs of those involved against their will.)

[moose42]

abortion... some 500,000 children [strike]are not born[/strike] are murdered in the US every year because of them... and one political party constantly champions the right to let this continue...

There I fixed it for you.

If you cut open the head of a baby that has been out of the womb for 1 second and scramble his or her brains and the baby dies it's murder. If you do it 1 second before the child leaves the womb it is legal. How does this make sense?

Gay marriage is an abomination, and will contribute to the fall of our society. In the animal kingdom, all higher animals reproduce sexually to continue the species. Homosexuals do not contribute and so are not fulfilling their responsibility to the species.

Also God created Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve.

What is insane to me is that people even debate these issues.

[DougWojtowicz]

Also God created Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve.

There were only two humans back then, if you take Genesis literally.

Now, we've got a population of humans that's self-supporting if folks decide to engage in non-reproductive sex.