Crossing Europe-1499

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Aesop wrote:I hide the cash and a small eating knife under robes of the Franciscan Order, avoiding robbery by the simple expedient of appearing to be a member of an order known for their poverty, and enjoy a pleasant stroll through the countryside from town to town as a mendicant friar and pilgrim.
I make my way to Paris and befriend then-Cardinal della Rovere, where under his patronage we discuss art and science at length.

In late 1503, the current Borgia serving as Pope dies, then his replacement croaks in a month, and my patron is elevated to become Pope Julius II, and I explain to him some ideas for painting the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel, and suggest a couple of young artists named Raphael from Urbino and Michelangelo Buonorotti from Florence.

In my spare time I look up Leonardo da Vinci in Florence, and pass along some insights regarding this and that. Florence is later defended by a ring of Vaubanesque bastions. In their spare time, their square-rigged men-o-war sweep the Mediterranean free of Ottoman pirates, push the Turks out of Europe entirely, and reconquer Constantinople as a Christian bulwark against the Islamic hordes, saving hundreds of years of Balkan squabbles.

I arrange a similar visit to Padua to visit with one Nikolaj Copernik studying canon law, to explain a bit about actual medicine and heliocentric astronomy.

In later years I travel to Wittenberg, and over a weekly beer or two, egg on a young Doctor of Bible there concerning the scandalous sale of indulgences by Mother Church, and how someone oughta put a note up on the door or something.

Chaos, panic, and disorder, the dawn of the Age of Enlightenment is begun, and my work in Europe is mostly complete.

I spend my later life in England, getting Henry VIII and various nobles to sponsor English colonies in North America 90 years early, and implanting the seeds of treason in the heads of a burgeoning minority of nonconformist sects who travel there to establish them. After pushing into Pennsylvania early, they discover coal and oil, and with some Italian chemists and displaced German metal-workers, the colonies begin a thriving steel and armaments industry. They push the French out of Canada, the Spanish out of Florida, and declare independence from England while a tiny English fleet are still wrangling with Spain over Aztec gold. Between the colonists launching revolving turret ironclad dreadnoughts with rifled breech loading artillery powered by steam boilers, and fielding armored combustion powered tanks mounting Gatling guns, the English forces never have a chance, and I live to see the victorious colonials start the construction of the transcontinental railroad in the mid 1500s.

And thus was born Steampunk.
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Nah.
No airship pirates or nuclear submarines.

I'm okay with hot chicks in leather corsets and fishnets though.
If Henry VIII had seen a pole dancer, I suspect it would have become all the rage.
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Aesop wrote: I'm okay with hot chicks in leather corsets and fishnets though.
Only if you also introduce regular bathing.
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MarkD wrote:
Aesop wrote: I'm okay with hot chicks in leather corsets and fishnets though.
Only if you also introduce regular bathing.
Re-introduce.
The Romans had that down 1600 years earlier.

And think of how much easier his life would have been if Henry VIII could've gotten his wives to divorce him.

Besides, half the reason for the railroad would be so they could invent Las Vegas.
Except we make it an Indian casino megalopolis, they all move there to work it, and we avoid having to wipe them all out one fight at a time.

The more ornery ones we give amnesty, and tell them Mexico is theirs if they can chase the Spaniards out southwards.

Two-fer. 8-)
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Longbow, because I'm used to it, and it's tons faster than a crossbow. And a shitload of matched arrows. 'Cause a longbow, with heavy arrows and the right head, WILL punch through most armor.

A bastard (hand-and-a-half) sword, Portglenon style. And a WW I knuckle-bow trench knife. Or six.

If I can't bring my own horse, a good Arabian or Spanish Jennet. Preferably with an Aussie saddle, or the local equivalent.

And maybe a British Raj-type pigsticker lance. If for no other reason that to give me something to fly my Gadsden flag from.
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First Shirt wrote:Longbow, because I'm used to it, and it's tons faster than a crossbow. And a shitload of matched arrows. 'Cause a longbow, with heavy arrows and the right head, WILL punch through most armor.

A bastard (hand-and-a-half) sword, Portglenon style. And a WW I knuckle-bow trench knife. Or six.

If I can't bring my own horse, a good Arabian or Spanish Jennet. Preferably with an Aussie saddle, or the local equivalent.

And maybe a British Raj-type pigsticker lance. If for no other reason that to give me something to fly my Gadsden flag from.
I suspect that setting yourself up as a single armed mounted individual going cross country is not the path to victory.

You'd be effectively announcing yourself as the late 15th Century equivalent of an outlaw biker. Or, depending on behaviors of local authorities and power structures, it'd be the equivalent of picking a random ghetto street corner and dealing.

I suspect Aesop's Franciscan robe would serve better. This is not open, wild country. It's populated, and civilized (for some values of civilized). Those people have their own ways and power structures, and life was cheaper then.

You're going to want to find a way to go with the system, not set yourself completely outside it (there's just no room). If you want to do the knight-ish thing, at the very least you're going to want to establish a pedigree/cover story, and get some retainers. Posing as a Swiss soldier for hire might be a good bet.
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Might not be the path to victory, but it would be fun!!!
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First Shirt wrote:Might not be the path to victory, but it would be fun!!!
On a horse? In Scotland? Might be very short. ;)
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Depends on the horse, and the time of year, doesn't it?
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Greg wrote: Posing as a Swiss soldier for hire might be a good bet.
Little more than a slave, really - well-paid, but not exactly the best life.

The Merchant guilds were kicking by that time - but Aesop might be right about posing as a monk - although Luther didn't come out of nowhere, so being a member of an order might not be that safe - don't remember anything too nasty happening to Franciscans, though, off the top of my head - Henry VIII probably did something - he was pretty much psychotically violent.
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