This Tuesday, millions of eyes will be glued to the season finale of Glee — a popular musical comedy airing on Fox. Excitement is building among the show’s viewership, but my own enthusiasm for Glee has recently given way to confusion over its message.
The fictional high school chorus at the center of the show has a huge problem, you see — nearly a million dollars in potential legal liability. For a show that regularly tackles thorny issues like teen pregnancy and alcohol abuse, it’s surprising that a million dollars worth of lawbreaking would go unmentioned. But it does, and week after week, those zany Glee kids rack up the potential to pay higher and higher fines.
In one recent episode, the AV Club helps cheerleading coach Sue Sylvester film a near-exact copy of Madonna’s Vogue music video (the real-life fine for copying Madonna’s original? up to $150,000). Just a few episodes later, a video of Sue dancing to Olivia Newton-John’s 1981 hit Physical is posted online (damages for recording the entirety of Physical on Sue’s camcorder: up to $300,000). And let’s not forget the glee club’s many mash-ups — songs created by mixing together two other musical pieces. Each mash-up is a “preparation of a derivative work” of the original two songs’ compositions – an action for which there is no compulsory license available, meaning (in plain English) that if the Glee kids were a real group of teenagers, they could not feasibly ask for — or hope to get — the copyright permissions they would need to make their songs, and their actions, legal under copyright law. Punishment for making each mash-up? Up to another $150,000 — times two.
The absence of any mention of copyright law in Glee illustrates a painful tension in American culture. While copyright holders assert that copyright violators are “stealing” their “property,” people everywhere are remixing and recreating artistic works for the very same reasons the Glee kids do — to learn about themselves, to become better musicians, to build relationships with friends, and to pay homage to the artists who came before them. Glee’s protagonists — and the writers who created them — see so little wrong with this behavior that the word ‘copyright’ is never even uttered.
You might be tempted to assume that this tension isn’t a big deal because copyright holders won’t go after creative kids or amateurs. But they do: In the 1990s, the American Society of Composers, Authors and Publishers (ASCAP) asked members of the American Camping Association, including Girl Scout troops, to pay royalties for singing copyrighted songs at camp. In 2004, the Beatles’ copyright holders tried to prevent the release of The Grey Album – a mash-up of Jay-Z’s Black Album and the Beatles’ White Album — and only gave up after massive civil disobedience resulted in the album’s widespread distribution. Copyright holders even routinely demand that YouTube remove videos of kids dancing to popular music. While few copyright cases go to trial, copyright holders like the Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA) don’t hesitate to seek stratospheric damage awards when they do, as in the Jammie Thomas-Rasset filesharing case.
These worlds don’t match. Both Glee and the RIAA can’t be right. It’s hard to imagine glee club coach Will Schuester giving his students a tough speech on how they can’t do mash-ups anymore because of copyright law (but if he did, it might make people rethink the law). Instead, copyright violations are rewarded in Glee — after Sue’s Physical video goes viral, Olivia Newton-John contacts Sue so they can film a new, improved video together.
So what should you do in real life if you and your friends, inspired by Glee, want to make a mash-up, or a new music video for a popular song? Should you just leave this creativity to the professionals, or should you become dirty, rotten copyright violators?
Current law favors copyright holders. But morally, there’s nothing wrong with singing your heart out. Remixing isn’t stealing, and copyright isn’t property. Copyright is a privilege — actually six specific privileges — granted by the government. Back in 1834, the Supreme Court decided in Wheaton v. Peters that copyrights weren’t “property” in the traditional sense of the word, but rather entitlements the government chose to create for instrumental reasons. The scope and nature of copyright protection are policy choices — choices that have grown to favor the interests of established, rent-seeking businesses instead of the public in general.
The Constitution allows Congress to pass copyright laws to “promote the progress of science” — a word often used in the 18th century to mean “knowledge”. The stated purpose of the original 1790 copyright statute was to encourage learning. So you tell me — what promotes knowledge and learning: letting people rearrange music and learn to use a video camera, or threatening new artists with $150,000 fines?
Defenders of modern copyright law will argue Congress has struck “the right balance” between copyright holders’ interests and the public good. They’ll suggest the current law is an appropriate compromise among interest groups. But by claiming the law strikes “the right balance,” what they’re really saying is that the Glee kids deserve to be on the losing side of a lawsuit. Does that sound like the right balance to you?
Copyright And The TV Show Glee
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A) Never Trust a Yale, or Harvard lawyer - I have met two, dangerously incompetent lawyers. One is a Harvard grad, the other Yale. They both embrace the idea that they never wanted to practice, and that their schools consider practice a waste of their students. (The Yalie is a crim. law prof. who actually tried to tell his class that its irrelevant that TX law permits lethal force in defense of property - this is not an opinion shared by the TX Court of Criminal Appeals, or the Bar graders...)
B) See above. You certainly have ownership of copyrighted property. Anyone who thinks differently, is seriously confused. I never focused on IP, just took a brief survey course, taught by an IP lawyer, but meant for non-IP track students - I will leave any further commentary to the lawyers - someone on here may even be an IP lawyer.
B) See above. You certainly have ownership of copyrighted property. Anyone who thinks differently, is seriously confused. I never focused on IP, just took a brief survey course, taught by an IP lawyer, but meant for non-IP track students - I will leave any further commentary to the lawyers - someone on here may even be an IP lawyer.
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These music lawyers and their ilk are a victim of their own message. Suing Girl Scouts for sitting around a fire singing I Will Survive? Filing infringement suits against Chinese kids lip-syncing the Backstreet Boys? Please. There's a reason copyrights are important, but this sure isn't it. Go after people who intend to make a profit, or people who avoid payment by pirating for personal use. But this kind of stuff just makes them look like petty tyrants. They can sit around debating the word "is" all day long, but legalese doesn't gain public support. And yes - public support does affect the law and law enforcement, as we all know.
BTW, did I show you this anti-pirating video yet? Awesome stuff.
BTW, did I show you this anti-pirating video yet? Awesome stuff.
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I'll see your anti-pirate video, and raise you mine.workinwifdakids wrote:BTW, did I show you this anti-pirating video yet? Awesome stuff.
The moral of my post is, if you don't like the music industry's tactics (and who would?) , don't play their game: call copyright infringement copyright infringement, not "piracy".
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By calling it piracy they made it cool. How are you supposed to pick up chicks by being a "copyright infringer".
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I see that none of y'all ever performed in a choir or marching band, and the Yalie didn't either.
As long you are not conducting a commercial performance (school assembelies and school sporting events etc... are non-commercial), simply buying the sheet music buys you the rights to perform the piece. This is how EVERY school marching band in the entire country gets the right to play the Hey Song and a billion other pieces of intellectual property. This is how choirs get their music as well, especially contemporary pieces.
Sheet music is EXPENSIVE (from $5 to $30 per copy for modern songs), and you're not allowed to photocopy it without permission and/or paying extra (they sell choir books that you're allowed to photocopy from, generally for several hundred dollars per book).
The royalty is paid to ASCAP under publishing rights rules, from the cost of the sheet music.
The making of music videos I can't speak for, but the rest? Perfectly legal and happening every day everywhere.
As long you are not conducting a commercial performance (school assembelies and school sporting events etc... are non-commercial), simply buying the sheet music buys you the rights to perform the piece. This is how EVERY school marching band in the entire country gets the right to play the Hey Song and a billion other pieces of intellectual property. This is how choirs get their music as well, especially contemporary pieces.
Sheet music is EXPENSIVE (from $5 to $30 per copy for modern songs), and you're not allowed to photocopy it without permission and/or paying extra (they sell choir books that you're allowed to photocopy from, generally for several hundred dollars per book).
The royalty is paid to ASCAP under publishing rights rules, from the cost of the sheet music.
The making of music videos I can't speak for, but the rest? Perfectly legal and happening every day everywhere.
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You are right... But buying that sheet music does not grant the right to mix portions of it with other works to create a new work without licensing and royalties.MelodyByrne wrote:I see that none of y'all ever performed in a choir or marching band, and the Yalie didn't either.
As long you are not conducting a commercial performance (school assembelies and school sporting events etc... are non-commercial), simply buying the sheet music buys you the rights to perform the piece. This is how EVERY school marching band in the entire country gets the right to play the Hey Song and a billion other pieces of intellectual property. This is how choirs get their music as well, especially contemporary pieces.
Sheet music is EXPENSIVE (from $5 to $30 per copy for modern songs), and you're not allowed to photocopy it without permission and/or paying extra (they sell choir books that you're allowed to photocopy from, generally for several hundred dollars per book).
The royalty is paid to ASCAP under publishing rights rules, from the cost of the sheet music.
The making of music videos I can't speak for, but the rest? Perfectly legal and happening every day everywhere.
As for music videos, the lawsuits would be epic.
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So what about local TV broadcasts?CByrneIV wrote:Actually, performance mashups and medleys are not considered new works, they are derivative works covered under fair use if you have the rights to perform the works they are derived from.mekender wrote:You are right... But buying that sheet music does not grant the right to mix portions of it with other works to create a new work without licensing and royalties.MelodyByrne wrote:I see that none of y'all ever performed in a choir or marching band, and the Yalie didn't either.
As long you are not conducting a commercial performance (school assembelies and school sporting events etc... are non-commercial), simply buying the sheet music buys you the rights to perform the piece.
As for music videos, the lawsuits would be epic.
This is a long standing and traditional usage, from the first days of copyrights for music.
You cannot republish your derivative work, nor can you record and distribute your recording, but you can perform it.
I know that a lot of the High Schools around here have their football games and half time shows broadcast on TV.
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Which is of course exactly what copyright laws were intended for, hammering high school kids into compliance and making sure that their band performances are paying royalties.CByrneIV wrote:Reportage of News events is protected fair use, and are generally exempt from copyright issues (though not always).mekender wrote: So what about local TV broadcasts?
I know that a lot of the High Schools around here have their football games and half time shows broadcast on TV.
Non commercial public exhibitions are in a gray area.
If they're rebroadcasting the whole game on local TV, and they accept advertisement or compensation, they may be violating the "commercial exhibition" provisions of copyright; and they would need exhibition and broadcast rights, and their associated royalties, plus a separate performance royalty, for any copyrighted songs.
Gotta love IP...
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There's no "talk like copyright infringer day" for one.Kommander wrote:By calling it piracy they made it cool. How are you supposed to pick up chicks by being a "copyright infringer".

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