Played Mass Effect 3 demo and Arkham City this weekend

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Jericho941 wrote:They didn't like how a piece of fiction ended, and this is what motivated them to start a protest movement. They politicized a charity to do it. It's not that donating to a charity is bad, it's just... really? Really? This is what it takes to get people to do something, to protest and donate? A fumbled ending to a long, massive, otherwise exemplary trilogy of games?
This is unfair. You have no idea what any of these people may otherwise be doing with their lives.
Jericho941 wrote:I'll bet that if a Broken Steele-style end-fixing DLC is released, and isn't free, most of those people will still buy it, too. Since Bioware's publisher is EA, that's quite likely to happen, and EA will note that they can basically make money hand over fist with a crappy initial release and sell the "fix" for it. We can expect this to become a pattern, and the only real solution would be to stop buying from EA and actually vote with dollars. But that would require giving something up, rather than throwing a fit on the Internet.
Well that's what I did. I have not and will not purchase this game. I refuse to support crappy sequels. I never saw the second and third (or fourth) Pirates movie, didn't pay to see the second and third Star Wars prequel, and will probably never see a new Speilberg movie again. Also note that I am not really angry, just disappointed and have decided that my money is better spent elsewhere.
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Greg wrote:Not passively saying "thank you Master, may I have another?" when you're fed a shit sandwich is exactly what's RIGHT with America.
It's a fucking game. Pop culture. Fiction. Part of the "circus" in "bread and circuses." The slavery comparison highlights the absurdity of the situation: Our freedoms continue to be eroded, the economy sucks, and the machinery that makes both of those things happen is still running at full speed. But never mind that, the ending to a video game wasn't very good.

Talk about your first world problems.
I'll grant that it's first world problems, but so is allot of stuff posted on this forum. "Oh Noes my extractor on my super rare M-1924 Tireur Caniche is broken! Whatever shall I do!" It's not like anyone is claiming that this games ending destroyed their life.
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Kommander wrote:This is unfair. You have no idea what any of these people may otherwise be doing with their lives.
Fair enough. My assumption was based off of the fact that the last ten minutes -or less- of the final installment of a series of video games in which you can easily spend 25 hours or more apiece is apparently worth so much trouble to so many people, that they must not be doing much with their lives. Admittedly, that's kind of a hypocritical position for someone who spends most of his free time gaming, but when I get behind a charity or donate to something it's because I believe in it, not because I want to make some sort of statement about my entertainment.

I guess one thing that soured me to the argument early on was the review you linked to earlier, and a different point of view on implementation.
It’s all rather… dirty. Presumably they’re trying to encourage you to try the multiplayer because to do well in it, you have to buy or earn unlockable items, and you can get these for real money. But they’re doing it by hurting your single player game, slapping a good playthrough with a bad ending as a penalty for not playing co-op. Even if you like co-op, it’s not unreasonable to want to play through the single player first.
This is misleading.

Your default war readiness is 50% and it's elevated by playing co-op, yes. But there's no need to pay for anything with real money. At all. They aren't following Zynga's Farmville/Mafia Wars model; the default set of weapons is perfectly fine, and equipment is so cheap, you can easily buy it with points earned after every successful mission. Your main source of success is leveling up your multiplayer characters, and that's almost as straightforward as Call of Duty. Oh, and not to mention having an IQ of 71 or higher.

Even if you have a disastrous co-op run, your war readiness will increase. I got stuck with some truly inept teammates earlier today at a difficulty level they weren't ready for, and it still increased despite the fact that we were wiped out on wave 2... of 11.

The review is mostly bitching about predictable symptoms that come with installing a game on release date and beating it ASAP. In other words, if you're complaining about planet-scanning now, why didn't you pan Mass Effect 2? Or the first one with the damn flubber Mako APC/rover? Oh wait, that'd mean you'd have to do some grinding in an RPG! Grinding takes time, and the review has to be kicked out before anyone else's review. Gotcha.

Teal Deer: Review sites are utter crap. Now for the legitimate beef:

Multi- and singleplayer segregation. For at least fifteen years now, multiplayer and singleplayer gameplay modes have existed in separate universes. If you wanted to play Duke3D or Quake against other people, the game you'd play would resemble Duke3D or Quake, and would have the same weapons, but the arenas would exist largely independent of the singleplayer world, and have no bearing on it. And so it has been for generations and generations of gaming and gamers.

So... what? Does that mean they have to be that way?

Let's be real now: Anyone playing Mass Effect 3 is virtually guaranteed to have a broadband internet connection, and will need to use it for authentication purposes, if nothing else related to the game. Case in point: Origin.*

So, irrelevant logistics aside, why should multiplayer necessarily be have to be completely divorced from single? Some players might not care for singleplayer? Okay, fine. I just played a mission in Mass Effect 1 where I had to chase a bunch of goddamn alien monkeys around to find a MacGuffin. I didn't want to do that, but I wanted the XP to get "better" results.

RPGs: Life is pain. Deal with it.

*A godawful imitator of Steam that I would gladly destroy.
Kommander wrote:Well that's what I did. I have not and will not purchase this game. I refuse to support crappy sequels. I never saw the second and third (or fourth) Pirates movie, didn't pay to see the second and third Star Wars prequel, and will probably never see a new Speilberg movie again. Also note that I am not really angry, just disappointed and have decided that my money is better spent elsewhere.
I understand that. Frankly, since I'd already dropped the money on pre-ordering Collector's Edition, I was rather horrified when I was still waiting on it to arrive to my APO address, and Internet opinion went drastically south. But, being a longtime gamer, and this being far from my first "initial release" rodeo, I decided to reserve judgement until I could play it myself. (Hence the previous disclaimer about building up my ME1/2 playthroughs).

This is why I used the demo, and full version multiplayer, to shape my perceptions. Because, admittedly, we gamers are a self-entitled lot, and we bitch about everything. But if our bitching was capable of getting anything done, Day of Defeat: Source would be an actual fucking game, instead of a piece-of-shit Source engine tech demonstrator and stand-in for Team Fortress 2, irrelevant since 2007.

Kommander wrote:I'll grant that it's first world problems, but so is allot of stuff posted on this forum. "Oh Noes my extractor on my super rare M-1924 Tireur Caniche is broken! Whatever shall I do!" It's not like anyone is claiming that this games ending destroyed their life.
It's true that most of the problems we post here are, in the grand scheme of things, inconsequential.

Still, I can't recall anyone comparing, say, Springfield Armory's new cast M1's to CMP's original forged M1s and invoking slave imagery. Everyone posting here is a first-worlder, so most of the problems we'll talk about will be first-world problems. It's true, and there's nothing wrong with that.

But when your priorities are so friggin' skewed that you'd compare a story having a less-than-perfect ending to the master's whip... well, that's just ridiculous.
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I just finished it now (the credits are rolling). I kinda liked it. Not sure which of the 16 endings I got, but I might be one of the "good" ones.

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Let's talk about something more positive. I loved Arkham City. About the only bad thing I can say about it is that Catwoman need to invest on better zippers for her costume as hers got stuck half open.
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I think that was a feature, not a bug, Kommander.
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So I saved a few articles about the problem with the ending till after I beat it, and wow, people are really dedicated to the debate. Reading all the info gives me a larger perspective on it, where I see the flaws. I still feel it was a great experience, but it is.. a dark game.

Although I do agree with this article: http://www.gamefront.com/mass-effect-3- ... are-right/

I don't want to quote anything from it for those, like Chris, that haven't played it yet. But it is worth a read.

I was expecting a nice wrap up like Metal Gear Solid 4 (now that is the gold standard on ending a series). This fan made one gives me something closer to that: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fykfVUD23jA

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Thanks for the info Chris. I will reconsider picking it up though I still have reservations.
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CByrneIV wrote:2. Why make walking around the game more difficult? Particularly getting around your own damn ship? That stupid security checkpoint thing just irritates the crap out of me. Maybe it's the programmers own little dig at the TSA.
It certainly wouldn't be the first time.
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Hmm. Nope, I can't say that I want Bioware to fix the ending to Mass Effect 3.

I want them to actually put an ending in the game. Instead of, you know, a collection of random scenes without context and a bunch of babble that might as well be straight out of a different game.
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First Thoughts, WTF did they do to my Normandy.
Then, blue chick and Garrus again, just like old times.
I missed my team, I liked the Tali romance, and I was underwhelmed by the ending.
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