SmartPhones
- Netpackrat
- Posts: 14002
- Joined: Fri Aug 15, 2008 11:04 pm
Re: SmartPhones
Cognosce teipsum et disce pati
"People come and go in our lives, especially the online ones. Some leave a fond memory, and some a bad taste." -Aesop
"People come and go in our lives, especially the online ones. Some leave a fond memory, and some a bad taste." -Aesop
- Termite
- Posts: 9003
- Joined: Tue Aug 19, 2008 3:32 am
Re: SmartPhones
I don't.esa5444 wrote:The phones know where they have been, and there is so much information flying between the phone and the network that, well, let's say if you value your privacy more than the features of a smartphone (or really a regular phone), you shouldn't have one.
And, FYI, you being an engineer and such, it really isn't that hard to physically sever the GPS antenna connection in your phone.
"Life is a bitch. Shit happens. Adapt, improvise, and overcome. Acknowledge it, and move on."
- blackeagle603
- Posts: 9783
- Joined: Tue Aug 19, 2008 4:13 am
Re: SmartPhones
as for scanners to listen in on CDMA based phones...
CDMA based phones use a spread spectrum signal with no carrier. It amounts to unique coded broadband noise for each device using that bit of spectrum. It was developed originally for secure military apps and commercialized by Qualcomm.
It is so difficult (read virtually impossible -- every bit just looks like noise and there's no carrier to sync to) to tap that nameless Federal agency held up approval of standards and put QCOM's investment at risk in the early 90's. The approval process started moving again after a brief delay. I have no idea what happened or if backdoors were coded in for use by said nameless Federal agency. Nothing to see here folks. Move along.
So, if you're thinking about scanning CDMA cell phone signals without being able to directly access the infrastruce -- good luck with that. Thank you very much Hedy LaMarr.
CDMA based phones use a spread spectrum signal with no carrier. It amounts to unique coded broadband noise for each device using that bit of spectrum. It was developed originally for secure military apps and commercialized by Qualcomm.
It is so difficult (read virtually impossible -- every bit just looks like noise and there's no carrier to sync to) to tap that nameless Federal agency held up approval of standards and put QCOM's investment at risk in the early 90's. The approval process started moving again after a brief delay. I have no idea what happened or if backdoors were coded in for use by said nameless Federal agency. Nothing to see here folks. Move along.
So, if you're thinking about scanning CDMA cell phone signals without being able to directly access the infrastruce -- good luck with that. Thank you very much Hedy LaMarr.
"The Guncounter: More fun than a barrel of tattooed knife-fighting chain-smoking monkey butlers with drinking problems and excessive gambling debts!"
"The right of the citizens to keep and bear arms has justly been considered, as the palladium of the liberties of a republic;" Justice Story
"The right of the citizens to keep and bear arms has justly been considered, as the palladium of the liberties of a republic;" Justice Story
-
- Posts: 893
- Joined: Sun Aug 24, 2008 4:33 am
Re: SmartPhones
It is. The GPS is on the same chips as the Wi-Fi and Bluetooth. And I use the GPS and Bluetooth a lot, so it would be a waste.Termite wrote:I don't.esa5444 wrote:The phones know where they have been, and there is so much information flying between the phone and the network that, well, let's say if you value your privacy more than the features of a smartphone (or really a regular phone), you shouldn't have one.
And, FYI, you being an engineer and such, it really isn't that hard to physically sever the GPS antenna connection in your phone.
You do know, by the way, that even "regular" non-smart phones also have GPS receivers and can broadcast their position? Every phone made since like 1997 has been that way. In fact, with a smart-phone, I'd say, it's a lot easier to at least tell when the GPS is turned on.
-
- Posts: 8486
- Joined: Tue Aug 19, 2008 2:15 pm
Re: SmartPhones
Posting this from the G2, while catching up on my House backlog on Tivo. Having fun- hardware qwerty rewls.
The little optical trackpad dealie on this model is surprisingly useful, and IMO definitely underappreciated.

Maybe we're just jaded, but your villainy is not particularly impressive. -Ennesby
If you know what you're doing, you're not learning anything. -Unknown
Sanity is the process by which you continually adjust your beliefs so they are predictively sound. -esr
If you know what you're doing, you're not learning anything. -Unknown
Sanity is the process by which you continually adjust your beliefs so they are predictively sound. -esr
- Termite
- Posts: 9003
- Joined: Tue Aug 19, 2008 3:32 am
Re: SmartPhones
I keep my GPS info feature set for "emergency calls only". The only time it works, according to the user manual, is when 911 is dialed. I used to have an older model that did not have E-911 ability, but the ringer died on it.esa5444 wrote:It is. The GPS is on the same chips as the Wi-Fi and Bluetooth. And I use the GPS and Bluetooth a lot, so it would be a waste.
You do know, by the way, that even "regular" non-smart phones also have GPS receivers and can broadcast their position? Every phone made since like 1997 has been that way. In fact, with a smart-phone, I'd say, it's a lot easier to at least tell when the GPS is turned on.
And if I decide to do something "hinky", I will turn off the phone, and remove the battery.
"Life is a bitch. Shit happens. Adapt, improvise, and overcome. Acknowledge it, and move on."
- HTRN
- Posts: 12403
- Joined: Wed Aug 20, 2008 3:05 am
Re: SmartPhones
You know, one of the little details I liked about burn notice is you see them switching to new burner phones every once in awhile....
HTRN, I would tell you that you are an evil fucker, but you probably get that a lot ~ Netpackrat
Describing what HTRN does as "antics" is like describing the wreck of the Titanic as "a minor boating incident" ~ First Shirt
Describing what HTRN does as "antics" is like describing the wreck of the Titanic as "a minor boating incident" ~ First Shirt
- Lokidude
- Posts: 2159
- Joined: Tue Aug 19, 2008 2:49 am
Re: SmartPhones
Not me. I'd be handing it to a trusted associate for the duration.Termite wrote:And if I decide to do something "hinky", I will turn off the phone, and remove the battery.
Standing for Truth, Justice, and the American Way!workinwifdakids wrote: We've thus far avoided the temptation to jack an entire forum.
But what the hell.
- Kommander
- Posts: 3761
- Joined: Wed Aug 13, 2008 10:13 am
Re: SmartPhones
One of these days this is going to bite the authorities in the ass.Lokidude wrote:Not me. I'd be handing it to a trusted associate for the duration.Termite wrote:And if I decide to do something "hinky", I will turn off the phone, and remove the battery.
"This is Delta Team! We have located the suspects location via cell phone and are moving in. Delta Team breach and clear! GO GO GO!"
*BOOOOOOOM*
"Delta team whats going on? Do you copy? Delta team? DELTA TEAM!"
-
- Posts: 4287
- Joined: Mon Aug 18, 2008 9:41 pm
Re: SmartPhones
If you are that paranoid and want a smartphone, get one on a month to month plan and pay w. cash. Create a throwaway email addy and be done w. it.