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AB-1?

Post by randy » Sun Jun 17, 2018 8:35 pm

Boeing files patent that could convert a B-1 into a gunship

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Probably never happen, but as pointed out the technology in the patent could be adapted to other platforms (AB-52?) using directed energy weapons.
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Re: AB-1?

Post by g-man » Mon Jun 18, 2018 3:59 am

Directed energy weapons are dead in the water for airborne platforms. Power generation for solid state is a problem, and chemical capacity is the issue for COIL and similar. I did my masters thesis on the Advanced Tactical Laser (c-130 based little brother to the 747-based ABL), and they both went the way of the dodo (thanks Obama). As an operational platform it didn't have the capabilities it needed yet. But as a tested and general deterrent? It had legs. And yet we still have the over-priced wonderplane, the F(/A???)-35, at a bajillion dollars a copy.
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Re: AB-1?

Post by Rod » Mon Jun 18, 2018 1:15 pm

Thank God they don't need human gunners. Imagine being lowered into the slipstream of a B-1 going 350 knots.
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Re: AB-1?

Post by HTRN » Mon Jun 18, 2018 3:27 pm

g-man wrote:
Mon Jun 18, 2018 3:59 am
And yet we still have the over-priced wonderplane, the F(/A???)-35, at a bajillion dollars a copy.
It is indeed a wonderplane, as it outperforms basically everybody else out there. Theres a reason why all are nominal allies are chomping at the bit to buy them.

The ral future for Dews in service seems to be CIWs on ships with large powerplants.
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Re: AB-1?

Post by MiddleAgedKen » Mon Jun 18, 2018 9:00 pm

Now that it appears there's going to be a Space Force, DEWS can be deployed in the screaming void of spaaaaaaaaace! :)
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Re: AB-1?

Post by g-man » Tue Jun 19, 2018 5:13 am

HTRN wrote:
Mon Jun 18, 2018 3:27 pm
g-man wrote:
Mon Jun 18, 2018 3:59 am
And yet we still have the over-priced wonderplane, the F(/A???)-35, at a bajillion dollars a copy.
It is indeed a wonderplane, as it outperforms basically everybody else out there. Theres a reason why all are nominal allies are chomping at the bit to buy them.

The ral future for Dews in service seems to be CIWs on ships with large powerplants.
I'm not saying it's not badass. I'm saying it's not NEARLY as badass as its pricetag says it should be. The AF mortgaged their entire force structure for that bird, and have perpetually screwed the manning pooch for better than a decade as a result.
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Re: AB-1?

Post by HTRN » Tue Jun 19, 2018 11:09 am

randy wrote:
Sun Jun 17, 2018 8:35 pm
Probably never happen,
Considering the "r" retrofit got shelved, and was far less ambitious? Almost a certainty.
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Re: AB-1?

Post by Mike OTDP » Fri Jun 22, 2018 2:26 am

g-man wrote:
Mon Jun 18, 2018 3:59 am
And yet we still have the over-priced wonderplane, the F(/A???)-35, at a bajillion dollars a copy.
Far more A than F in that airplane. It's a bomb-dropper with a secondary air-to-air capability. And much of the price comes from avionics that older aircraft carry in pods...and aren't counted against the unit flyaway price.

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Re: AB-1?

Post by Jericho941 » Sun Jul 15, 2018 11:51 pm

I expect that, in the age of the SDB, the AB-1 concept has even less of a chance to survive than the B-1R concept.

And as for the F-35 being overpriced, I place the blame for that solidly on the B model.

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Re: AB-1?

Post by HTRN » Mon Jul 16, 2018 12:05 am

Yup, yup. Completely new vtol system vs the harrier, making it much safer tho fly.

Ultra low observable, better even than the f22
Beyond bleeding edge avionics integrated into the plane to maintain low observability
3 different variants all built on basically the same airframe, and all with radically different requirements.

Its going to eventually replace all US combat aircraft in the future.
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