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Youtube bans all gun and reloading channels

Postby Netpackrat » Wed Mar 21, 2018 7:27 pm

Haven't noticed any other discussion of it here, but it looks as though Youtube is finally getting around to going full retard, and has changed their policies to essentially ban all gun channels. And especially reloading channels (wtf?).

Ultimately I think this is going to end up being good for gun video producers and bad for Youtube, because it's going to force adoption and/or creation of some alternate content host (or hosts). There's simply too much demand for the videos for them to just disappear even if they are all removed from Youtube. And once "guntube" (or whatever) is up and running, if they are smart they won't limit themselves to just gun related content, so it will be the beginning of the end of Youtube's de-facto monopoly as a video host.

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Re: Youtube bans all gun and reloading channels

Postby TheArmsman » Wed Mar 21, 2018 7:29 pm

How hard would it be to setup a guntube? What steps would need to be taken?
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Re: Youtube bans all gun and reloading channels

Postby Netpackrat » Wed Mar 21, 2018 7:36 pm

I think those of us who have to ask that question, are probably not the people to do it. Full30.com exists as an example of a good effort by gun people that fell short, because their user interface sucks. I read that InRangeTV (Ian McCollum and Karl Kasarda) have already started uploading their content to Pornhub of all places, and they already had their stuff on "Bitchute" and Full30. I have read some speculation that Pornhub might spin off a non porn related video site to host the gun and other content as it flees Youtube, and their user interface is supposed to be decent (others with more experience with their site will have to verify that... :shock: ).
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Re: Youtube bans all gun and reloading channels

Postby Gunnuts » Wed Mar 21, 2018 8:07 pm

Netpackrat wrote:....(others with more experience with their site will have to verify that... :shock: ).


Riiiiiight. ;)

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Postby rightisright » Wed Mar 21, 2018 8:10 pm

Pornhub has a good interface.... at least that's what my friend told me.

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Re: Youtube bans all gun and reloading channels

Postby Weetabix » Wed Mar 21, 2018 10:11 pm

Heavy sigh. :|

...including one about each previous post. :geek:

ETA: I just went over there. InRangeTV and TFB TV are still there. I guess we'll see for how long.
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Postby HTRN » Wed Mar 21, 2018 10:57 pm

Guntube and full30 are already set up the former was actually started by an arfcom indutry partner.

A few are also uploading to pornhub, they dont give a crap about content, and are actually set up infrastructure wise for this sort of thing.

The big hurdle isnt technological, its financial - Youtube loses money year after year, but because its integrated into google, it operates as a loss leader. Add in the social isues ("one stop shopping")and you can see why this is an issue.
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Postby Weetabix » Wed Mar 21, 2018 11:30 pm

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Re: Youtube bans all gun and reloading channels

Postby scipioafricanus » Thu Mar 22, 2018 12:18 am

In Range's statement:
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Thank you for your interest in InRange and for looking into this issue deeper as it is obviously an important one that deals with far more than just our content on InRange, but touches at the core of social media’s control over what has become increasingly “the public sphere of conversation”.

YouTube’s recent update on their policy towards firearm content is extremely poorly worded and open ended. It is unclear what their goals are directly, as well as what content is (or might be) actually effected. YouTube’s actions against firearms related, as well as some other, content over recent history has been increasingly arbitrary and capricious so there is little reason to believe that this new policy is not going to be used to hammer content creators into whatever corner they see fit. Over the last year or so we’ve seen our content be de-prioritized, flagged erroneously, demonetized by AI bots with little recourse, subscribers lose their notifications and subscription status without warning and more.

InRange has taken a number of steps to partially mitigate this attack against our legal and responsible content: we deleted our AdSense account entirely and moved to a crowd sourced funding model wholly via Patreon, have posted a number of videos in regards to digital rights and issues above and beyond that of just firearms related content, and we’ve decentralized the distribution of content to multiple delivery networks. At this time we are currently publishing content simultaneously on YouTube, Full30, Facebook, BitChute and now PornHub. We will not be seeking any monetization from PornHub and do not know what their monetization policies are, we are merely looking for a safe harbor for our content and for our viewers.

I would like to point out that a very simple search on YouTube for marijuana and bong reveals substantial results of people explaining, teaching the use of, advocation and actively using a Federally illegal schedule 1 substance:

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_ ... juana+bong

While I personally believe that people should have autonomy over their own body and be allowed to make personal choices about what they intake into themselves, I can’t help but find it hypocritical and disturbing that clearly illegal activity is acceptable while clearly legal activity, such as the content we distribute via InRange, is being actively persecuted.

In summary, we are looking for a safe harbor for our legal content and viewers, monetization aside. YouTube has the global dominance over the public narrative and it is unacceptable, in our opinion, for them to threaten livelihoods and legal content regardless of whatever current moral panic is in play.

If I can be of any further assistance, please let me know.

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Postby Steamforger » Thu Mar 22, 2018 2:33 am

In another non-shocker, Reddit apparently just deleted /r Gun Deals today.

I'm beyond pissed.

ETA- It appears that something called H.R. 1865 was passed that was ostensibly to combat sex trafficking on the internet, but can likely make a website criminally liable for something it's users do.

Some other unfortunate victims of the all-reaching banhammer were subs like ScotchSwap, BeerTrade, CigarSwap, BrassSwap, SecretSniper, etc. Anything they felt represented a "marketplace" for prohibited items. Also taken down were a bunch (15 or so) dark web subs, Shoplifting, XanaxNation or something, etc. You get the picture.

I predict the next round will be subs like Firearms, Guns, LongRange, etc. Anything Reddit or their cash flow may find to be offensive or hurting their delicate sensibilities.
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Re: Youtube bans all gun and reloading channels

Postby D5CAV » Thu Mar 22, 2018 3:04 am

Inrange on bitchute: https://www.bitchute.com/search/?q=inra ... eated+desc

Tell all your favorite gun channels to move there.

Ditch anything G####E related, like youtube, gmail, etc. Flush your F######K account.

If you really must use social media, tell your friends to use Wechat: http://www.wechat.com/en/ . It's the F#####K equivalent site that everyone in China uses. Of course, it's monitored by the CCP, just like F######K is by NSA and CIA, but being on the CCP sh#t list probably won't impact your life. Chinese banks won't share data with the IRS (unlike every other country on the planet), so I doubt the CCP will share with the NSA either.

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Re: Youtube bans all gun and reloading channels

Postby Kommander » Thu Mar 22, 2018 11:47 am

This goes allot deeper than just the gun stuff, its just where most of us happen to see the effects of the current social media war. Youtube (and Facebook, twitter, and Google in general) seem hell bent on strangling their golden geese in the name of virtue signaling and stopping badthink. Going to be an interesting 5 years as the various social networks fracture under the weight their own misguided policies.

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Postby Vonz90 » Thu Mar 22, 2018 1:49 pm

Kommander wrote:This goes allot deeper than just the gun stuff, its just where most of us happen to see the effects of the current social media war. Youtube (and Facebook, twitter, and Google in general) seem hell bent on strangling their golden geese in the name of virtue signaling and stopping badthink. Going to be an interesting 5 years as the various social networks fracture under the weight their own misguided policies.


Okay, Google I am familiar with, what is this Youtube (and Facebook, twitter) things you guys keep talking about?

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Postby Weetabix » Thu Mar 22, 2018 4:02 pm

Anyone have any alternatives to gmail that aren't too hard to get started on? I got on gmail years ago because it was convenient, and I didn't realize how evil the G****e empire was.
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Postby Rich Jordan » Fri Mar 23, 2018 2:59 am

Personally I think Microsoft is just as evil in its own ways. If you feel differently and you're willing to pay a modest amount ($4 a month I think for a base account) then Office 365 for email may be ok. It lets you use outlook to its fullest potential if that matters to you (I don't use it but it seems to be the default groupthink choice for a mail client), or you can use it via web. We resell it at work (sigh) and the back end has been pretty reliable.

I have had a Mindspring (later Earthlink) account since 2000 or so. Most ISPs offered mail service, though it will be more limited in allowed size than Gmail, so you need to either keep it purged or move mail you want to keep to your local system. Even though they're not my ISP any more they have a mail-only service for $8/month (worth it to me to retain my mindspring email account, and it includes a 100MB website/FTP storage location). You get webmail or can use a POP or IMAP client (outlook, Thunderbird, etc). I would expect there are a lot of other email services available, but free ones mean you'll have to live with their policies.

My Gmail was set up as the repository for the images my pet cams and home security cams sent when they had a motion or audio alert. I have 320,000 emails in the inbox, almost all with an attached image. Some of them (departed pets) I'll want to save, but I am also considering dumping my google account (which goes all the way back to deja-news Usenet, which google bought).

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Postby Netpackrat » Fri Mar 23, 2018 4:43 am

IIRC it costs me about $125/year for domain hosting with as many email accounts as I might wish to create, web server space, and I'm sure lots of other features which I don't use. If my current host pisses me off for some reason, I switch hosts and as far as anyone else is concerned, all of my address stuff stays the same.
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Postby Kommander » Fri Mar 23, 2018 12:47 pm

Vonz90 wrote:Okay, Google I am familiar with, what is this Youtube (and Facebook, twitter) things you guys keep talking about?


YouTube has been using vague policies, and coming up with new ones, to demonetize and otherwise isolate videos that while not technically violating their terms of service are somehow a source of badthink as far as YouTube is concerned. Google *sneerk* "Ad Apocalypse" for more information.

Facebook was apparently infiltrated by highly trained operatives from the Soviet Union who then used it to give Donald Trump the election or something. They frankly have no clue whats going on because the whole place is run by a kid in a hoodie who had one good idea 15 years ago and has been coasting on it ever since. Bottom line is that they are severely compromised and no one should be using their service.

Twitters situation is a bit more simple, consisting of essentially double standards and holding people responsible for the actions of others. This let to the creation og Gab, which claims to be a total free fire zone as far as free speech goes.

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Re: Youtube bans all gun and reloading channels

Postby Vonz90 » Fri Mar 23, 2018 1:44 pm

...um thanks, I was actually being kind of factious. I am disconnected from that stuff (in the sense that I do not use them) but not completely clueless.

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Postby Steamforger » Fri Mar 23, 2018 6:06 pm

TheArmsman wrote:How hard would it be to setup a guntube? What steps would need to be taken?


A Brit has apparently set up something called "Gunbook".

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Postby MiddleAgedKen » Fri Mar 23, 2018 11:10 pm

Per Borepatch, Full30 seems to be gaining some momentum.
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Postby Kommander » Sat Mar 24, 2018 12:05 am

Vonz90 wrote:...um thanks, I was actually being kind of factious. I am disconnected from that stuff (in the sense that I do not use them) but not completely clueless.


Rereading your post now it seems obvious. Sorry if that came across as patronizing.

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Postby D5CAV » Sat Mar 24, 2018 5:58 am

Why I like Chinese: https://www.activistpost.com/2018/03/fe ... tsapp.html

I can just see it now. Federal judge goes to CCP and says "The us.gov demands access to WeChat". See how long it takes the CCP officials to stop laughing.

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Postby scipioafricanus » Sat Mar 24, 2018 12:54 pm

I also love the SJW tech blogs that are ignoring the story (looking at you Gizmodo).
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Postby g-man » Sat Mar 24, 2018 4:14 pm

D5CAV wrote:Why I like Chinese: https://www.activistpost.com/2018/03/fe ... tsapp.html

I can just see it now. Federal judge goes to CCP and says "The us.gov demands access to WeChat". See how long it takes the CCP officials to stop laughing.

Worst thing that the CCP can do to most of you is deny you a visa to visit China.


That does make some insane sort of sense... If you stick to apps known to be under surveillance by the official Chinese hackers (who are just interested in snooping on everybody), you could generally avoid apps which have been compromised by black-market Chinese hackers (who are interested in stealing your identity info), and also avoid the 3-letter agency soup subpoena nonsense. Win!
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Postby HTRN » Sun Mar 25, 2018 10:02 pm

MiddleAgedKen wrote:Per Borepatch, Full30 seems to be gaining some momentum.

Is it still invitation only? Because if it is, its going to wither and die in short order. :ugeek:
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Postby Gunnuts » Mon Mar 26, 2018 5:12 pm

A guy on another forum I frequent has set up his own webpage for posting videos.
It has just launched, so expect growing pains, but its another option.

http://1776tv.com/

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Postby D5CAV » Tue Mar 27, 2018 3:32 am

Karl Kasarda's manifesto on bitchute: https://www.bitchute.com/video/TYcLv9HzDXg/

Not only did Youtube ban content, they removed it. If not backed-up somewhere else, it was lost forever - just like the books burned in "Fahrenheit 451"

If you don't want to watch, the key points:
1. stop using Youtube. Bitchute might not have $billions of infrastructure like Youtube, so you will have to sacrifice a little convenience and quality for your freedoms
2. If you must use Youtube, install an ad-blocker so you de-monetize Youtube
3. You are the consumer, (for now) you are in control. Starve the Beast. No money is how they starve

Tell all your favorite gun channels to move off Youtube and go somewhere else.

Karl is a computer geek. He has offered to help non-geeks to move off of Youtube, as part of his "give back" to our community. If you can leave a little patreon support to give back to Karl, it helps the cause.
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Postby SoupOrMan » Tue Mar 27, 2018 4:45 am

HTRN wrote:
MiddleAgedKen wrote:Per Borepatch, Full30 seems to be gaining some momentum.

Is it still invitation only? Because if it is, its going to wither and die in short order. :ugeek:


I signed up a few days ago. No invite needed.
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Postby Weetabix » Sat Mar 31, 2018 5:15 pm

So, does there seem to be a site where more are going than others? I haven't signed up a full30 yet.

I really don't want to have to go to pornhub. If it heads that way, I'm hoping they'll have a "safe for work" area you can go straight to.
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Postby Netpackrat » Sat Mar 31, 2018 6:30 pm

Karl did a long interview on why they ended up putting InRange content on PornHub, and how it is working out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=deFfSUfO134

It mentions that PH is considering starting a non-porn related video hosting service in order to accommodate content that is fleeing YouTube.
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Postby Steamforger » Sun Apr 01, 2018 6:40 pm

May have been an April Fools joke. Carry on.

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Postby 308Mike » Tue Apr 03, 2018 11:17 pm

Apparently, some female got upset at her boyfriend and decided to shoot him inside YouTube HQ, then kill herself (after shooting a few more people).
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