John Ringo on our dustup w/ the Russians in Syria

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John Ringo on our dustup w/ the Russians in Syria

Post by Cybrludite » Mon Feb 19, 2018 12:51 am

Soooo...

Further reporting, such as it is, on the Dair Ezzor Turkey Shoot.

1. Sov... err... Russians built a bridge over the Euphrates which was the designated 'deconfliction line'. Why? Reasons. 'Commite of Nations' or something.

2. 'Hybrid' force of mixed Russian contractors including multiple non-ethnic Russians (Serbs, Kossack, other non Slavics) as well as local Syrian Army 'commandos' attacked across temporary bridge. The 'Russian' side were 'Blackwater' equivalent mercenaries from a company generally called 'Wagner' which is the nom de plume of the boss. (Like if you called Blackwater 'Prince'.)

3. Unit was partially mechanized, battalion strength. (One thing everyone agrees upon is 'about 600-700 personnel.') Had some towed artillery as well as 't-55 and T-72 MBT as well as armored personnel carriers.' (Type unknown.) Full on 'we're taking that position and you're not stopping us' full court press.

4. Unit crossed bridge, arty deployed.

5. Arty opened fire while most of unit was still in approach column formation. (Normal) One portion moved to flanking positions.

5A. Minute the arty opened fire SHIT GOT REAL REAL QUICK.

6. Reapers took out artillery and most of armor with Hellfire. From the few videos, pretty much before they knew what hit them. There had to be quite a few Reaper drones up or they were feeding guidance to Hellfire from Apaches (see below.)

7. F-15E Eagles came in for clean-up and to check for anti-air defenses.

8. Warthogs showed up just to go BRRRRRRT!

9. AC-130 Spectre started fucking up their day for the hell of it.

10. To add insult to injury, B-52s which, you know, just HAPPENED to be in the area, just minding our own business, just passing by from Diego Garcia which is a few thousand miles away, on our way to... somewhere... nothing to see here... decided to prove they could drop their entire load as precision guided weapons and just more or less DID A JDAM ARCLIGHT ON THEIR ASS. At that point, more or less because CENTCOM said 'Why not? ARCLIGHT is always pretty to watch...'

11. The whole thing being so over it was ridiculous, AH-64 Apaches basically did 'hostile Bomb Damage Assessment' and complained there were no targets left.

12. Oh, and then the Kurds, to just really FUCK with these guys, released water from a dam upstream and broke their bridge. So they had to ford back with their wounded.

13. Nobody knows how many dead and wounded. Russians are saying 'only 8 Russian citizens' but that doesn't quite cover the whole of who may have been involved. One repeated number is 200 dead (remember, mixed Syrians, Russians and other ethnics) as well as pretty much the rest of the force wounded. (Not to mention pretty thoroughly demoralized.) One Kurd wounded. Probably fell off a stool laughing to tell truth.

14. Military hospitals in Russia are reliably reported 'overflowing.'

This was much less a 'battle' than a message. Towards the end we had to just be pounding ground to make sure they got it.

Messages, really.

A. Don't fucking cross that river.
B. Hey, North Korea! LOOK WHAT I CAN DO!
C. Hey, Putin, about Donbas... This is what we can do to your 'freedom fighters' (AKA: mercenaries) at any time.
D. To everyone in general: You need to remember who's boss.

Mattis is playing dumb. 'What Russians? There were Russians? Really? I'm seeing that in the media but I got no briefing on there being Russians in that column. Our bad. Sorry about that.'

Then there's the fact that the strike was NOT approved by the President.

Because he gave CENTOM the approval on things like that.

And CENTCOM handled it like a BOSS.

Oh, and when the forces crossed the river the Russians were informed and informed that we intended to take 'self-defense' actions.

So they can't even say they weren't warned.

I'm not sure we warned them we'd be using BUFF.

This is more the sort of thing I'd expect in late summer.

'Shit! We haven't expended our budget! Are there any Russians we can fuck up very badly with all these unexpended munitions?'

Last thought: It had to be shitty being on the receiving end of that.
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Re: John Ringo on our dustup w/ the Russians in Syria

Post by HTRN » Mon Feb 19, 2018 1:30 am

Really? An ARCLIGHT mission?! :shock:

Mattis apparently wanted to send a message - "Fuck you, and fuck everybody in the same gridsquare" :lol:
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Post by First Shirt » Mon Feb 19, 2018 2:01 am

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Re: John Ringo on our dustup w/ the Russians in Syria

Post by Netpackrat » Mon Feb 19, 2018 2:35 am

A. Don't fucking cross that river.
B. Hey, North Korea! LOOK WHAT I CAN DO!
C. Hey, Putin, about Donbas... This is what we can do to your 'freedom fighters' (AKA: mercenaries) at any time.
D. To everyone in general: You need to remember who's boss.
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Post by Rod » Mon Feb 19, 2018 4:15 am

That reads almost like the synopsis for one of John's new novels.
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Re: John Ringo on our dustup w/ the Russians in Syria

Post by randy » Mon Feb 19, 2018 4:37 am

Well, technically it ain't a real ARC LIGHT unless you got a formation of at least 3 BUFFs releasing at the same time, but doing it with JDAMS instead of M117s probably had at least the same effectiveness, and, after all, it's the thought that counts.
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Re: John Ringo on our dustup w/ the Russians in Syria

Post by Greg » Mon Feb 19, 2018 5:02 am

Holy crap. Dropping one JDAM is, to paraphrase Bill Whittle, like pressing the God Button.

A coordinated drop of a whole B52 load? Or maybe more than one??

They DID that? Shit, half the rulers of antiAmerican shitholes the world over, a little too smug after years of Obama, must have pissed themselves when they heard about this.

Which was, I'm sure, intentional.

Also certainly no accident that our media have not reported this to our own public. Would send the wrong message.
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Re: John Ringo on our dustup w/ the Russians in Syria

Post by Langenator » Mon Feb 19, 2018 6:47 am

HTRN wrote:Really? An ARCLIGHT mission?! :shock:

Mattis apparently wanted to send a message - "Fuck you, and fuck everybody [strike]in the same gridsquare[/strike] on the same map sheet" :lol:
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Re: John Ringo on our dustup w/ the Russians in Syria

Post by Netpackrat » Mon Feb 19, 2018 11:07 am

You know, if the science fiction thing doesn't work out, I think Ringo could have a great career as a news reporter. :lol:
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Re: John Ringo on our dustup w/ the Russians in Syria

Post by First Shirt » Mon Feb 19, 2018 12:46 pm

Netpackrat wrote:You know, if the science fiction thing doesn't work out, I think Ringo could have a great career as a news reporter. :lol:
That's a great idea, but Ringo probably paid more in taxes last year than I earned!
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