Need advice on the purchase of a Glock

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Re: Need advice on the purchase of a Glock

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Rentsy wrote:
sam wrote:I know a guy who torture tested his G35 (.40S&W), not cleaning it except for occasionally swabbing out the barrel. The frame split at about 70,000 rounds. He's an FFL, so not a big deal for him to get a new frame.
That's torture... for the guy shooting. What's FFL

Note to all: Thank you for all of the responses. I will now have to spend some time considering the XD...

[edit] About sights... I really just want no-nonsense sights that will stay zeroed. What, if any, modifications would I consider to a factory Glock (Or XD, because "thou shalt have no other gun before me" isn't a commandment)
Yeah, 70K rounds is above what any normal user will fire in their lifetime. A competitor will do that in a couple of years. Someone that isnt competing will shoot perhaps a couple of hundred a year or so.

As for sights, there are a lot of options, the standard Glock night sites are pretty good. the XS sights are good as well. There are also a lot of companies that will put fiber optic night sights in too.
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I have XS big dots on mine, but I like them, and have put them on, almost, all my pistols, so...
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Re: Need advice on the purchase of a Glock

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mekender wrote:As for sights, there are a lot of options, the standard Glock night sites are pretty good.

+1 - my first gen 22 has 'em, and they are just fine.

You might consider a "slug plug" that fills the hole in the grip - I've heard it both ways whether they protect the innards or not. I just like the way they fill the hole, personally.

There are a lot of quality used guns out there that authorized Glock dealers handle that were police trade ins and run through Glock to get checked out. You might not get the third generation models, but you can get the first and second easily. The second generation has mounting rails for accessories that the first generation lacked.

Chris has a writeup stashed away where he tells how to lighten the trigger on a Glock - it isn't something you want to take lightly, but it's easier than it sounds.
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Re: Need advice on the purchase of a Glock

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Jeffro wrote:
mekender wrote:Chris has a writeup stashed away where he tells how to lighten the trigger on a Glock - it isn't something you want to take lightly, but it's easier than it sounds.
My claim to fame is that I've read Chris' blog. Like at least 80% of all material up there. I know what you are talking about, and it was quite challenging.
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Re: Need advice on the purchase of a Glock

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Rentsy wrote:
Jeffro wrote:
mekender wrote:Chris has a writeup stashed away where he tells how to lighten the trigger on a Glock - it isn't something you want to take lightly, but it's easier than it sounds.
My claim to fame is that I've read Chris' blog. Like at least 80% of all material up there. I know what you are talking about, and it was quite challenging.

might i ask what state you are in?
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I live in California, so step 1 is deciding to buy a gun, and step 2 is reading up on the gun laws.
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Rentsy wrote:I live in California, so step 1 is deciding to buy a gun, and step 2 is reading up on the gun laws.
You'll need to take a handgun safety class and get the certificate. Your dealer will need a copy.
Effective January 1, 2003, the Basic Firearms Safety Certificate Program was replaced with the Handgun Safety Certificate Program. These new statutes affect the general public in two principal ways. First, unless exempt, individuals must possess a Handgun Safety Certificate (HSC) prior to purchasing or acquiring a handgun. Second, unless exempt, individuals must perform a safe handling demonstration prior to taking delivery of a handgun from a licensed dealer.

HSCs are acquired by taking and passing a written test on handgun safety, generally at participating firearms dealerships and private firearms training facilities. A Handgun Safety Certificate Study Guide [PDF 762 kb / 56 pg] to help individuals prepare for the Handgun Safety Certificate Test is available for purchase at firearms dealerships at $.50 each. There is also a Handgun Safety Certificate Video available for purchase at firearms dealerships or from DOJ Certified Instructors at $5.00 each.

The handgun safety demonstration protocols and DOJ Certified Instructor standards have been established and implemented by DOJ. An explanation of the handgun safety demonstration can be found starting on page 45 of the Handgun Safety Certificate Study Guide. [PDF 762 kb / 56 pg]

For additional information regarding the Handgun Safety Certificate Program. Please choose from the following:
If you want to start going over some of California's firearms laws, the quick and easy way is to check out the Firearms division of the CA DOJ.

If you want to research specific sections to read the actual language of the law, head over to the California Law portion of the legislature.
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308MikeYou'll need to take a handgun safety class and get the certificate. Your dealer will need a copy.
Mike,
I owned several handguns while I lived in PRK. I still own property and frequently visit. I often bring one or more handgun with me. Properly (spit, spit) LOCKED in a safe, with the magazine removed and stored separately.

The question: Do I need a "certificate" to possess my legally owned handgun while in PRK?

Guess I will need to get on the ball and get my AZ CCW. I already have enough paper trails pointing at me that one more probably won't hurt.
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No, only to purchase a handgun (California Penal Code Sections):

12800. It is the intent of the Legislature in enacting this article
to require that persons who obtain handguns have a basic familiarity
with those firearms, including, but not limited to, the safe
handling and storage of those firearms. It is not the intent of the
Legislature to require a handgun safety certificate for the mere
possession of a firearm.


There are no exceptions for people who have previously owned arsenals and hundred of handguns, including competition shooters unless they're one of the following:
12807. (a) The following persons, properly identified, are exempted
from the handgun safety certificate requirement in subdivision (b)
of Section 12801:
(1) Any active or honorably retired peace officer, as defined in
Chapter 4.5 (commencing with Section 830) of Title 3 of Part 2.
(2) Any active or honorably retired federal officer or law
enforcement agent.
(3) Any reserve peace officer, as defined in Section 832.6.
(4) Any person who has successfully completed the course of
training specified in Section 832.
(5) A firearms dealer licensed pursuant to Section 12071, who is
acting in the course and scope of his or her activities as a person
licensed pursuant to Section 12071.
(6) A federally licensed collector who is acquiring or being
loaned a handgun that is a curio or relic, as defined in Section
478.11 of Title 27 of the Code of Federal Regulations, who has a
current certificate of eligibility issued to him or her by the
department pursuant to Section 12071.
(7) A person to whom a handgun is being returned, where the person
receiving the firearm is the owner of the firearm.
(8) A family member of a peace officer or deputy sheriff from a
local agency who receives a firearm pursuant to Section 50081 of the
Government Code.
(9) Any individual who has a valid concealed weapons permit issued
pursuant to Section 12050.
(10) An active, or honorably retired member of the United States
Armed Forces, the National Guard, the Air National Guard, the active
reserve components of the United States, where individuals in those
organizations are properly identified. For purposes of this section,
proper identification includes the Armed Forces Identification Card,
or other written documentation certifying that the individual is an
active or honorably retired member.
(11) Any person who is authorized to carry loaded firearms
pursuant to subdivision (c) or (d) of Section 12031.
(12) Persons who are the holders of a special weapons permit
issued by the department pursuant to Section 12095, 12230, 12250, or
12305.
(b) The following persons who take title or possession of a
handgun by operation of law in a representative capacity, until or
unless they transfer title ownership of the handgun to themselves in
a personal capacity, are exempted from the handgun safety certificate
requirement in subdivision (b) of Section 12801:
(1) The executor or administrator of an estate.
(2) A secured creditor or an agent or employee thereof when the
firearms are possessed as collateral for, or as a result of, or an
agent or employee thereof when the firearms are possessed as
collateral for, or as a result of, a default under a security
agreement under the Commercial Code.
(3) A levying officer, as defined in Section 481.140, 511.060, or
680.260 of the Code of Civil Procedure.
(4) A receiver performing his or her functions as a receiver.
(5) A trustee in bankruptcy performing his or her duties.
(6) An assignee for the benefit of creditors performing his or her
functions as an assignee.
POLITICIANS & DIAPERS NEED TO BE CHANGED OFTEN AND FOR THE SAME REASON

A person properly schooled in right and wrong is safe with any weapon. A person with no idea of good and evil is unsafe with a knitting needle, or the cap from a ballpoint pen.

I remain pessimistic given the way BATF and the anti gun crowd have become tape worms in the guts of the Republic. - toad
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Re: Need advice on the purchase of a Glock

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Get whichever one you like.
17, 19, 19L, 34......

They're all good. (choke, cough, sputter)(All hail JMB!)

I will say that the Glocks and Springfield XD's are pretty much abuse resistant.

However I will post this link, it's not for the faint of heart.
http://www.theprepared.com/index.php?op ... id=90&Item

9mm is a fine choice, not my favorite but I'd rather have one than a .40.
Ammo's cheap enough to shoot enough to get good.
And good defensive rounds are available today unlike 20+ years ago.

Replace the recoil spring every couple of thousand rounds and watch your trigger return spring and you're good to go for about 20 years.
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