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Don't Buckle on Immigration

Postby Vonz90 » Tue Jan 23, 2018 4:38 pm

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/4 ... conditions

I thought this was a very good editorial. Immigration is this terms "no new taxes" issue (and more important in the long term).

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Re: Don't Buckle on Immigration

Postby Frankingun » Tue Jan 23, 2018 7:25 pm

Only thing is, no more amnesties. We do one, then another, rinse, repeat.
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Re: Don't Buckle on Immigration

Postby Weetabix » Tue Jan 23, 2018 11:13 pm

Random thoughts on the linked article:
(ideally by making it mandatory for employers to check the legal status of new hires)

That is in place in some areas. When my company had downsized to just me, I was doing admin work. The State required me to do a background check on myself to make sure I was here legally.
the related willingness of many Republicans to approve an amnesty with few or no conditions

Quoted for truth. Gutless bunch, those Republicans.
Republicans in the White House and the Congress ought to make it clear that they will not accept a deal that encourages illegal immigration

Ah. There's the rub. Granting amnesty to the DACA crowd without hard language that has a cutoff date, and that firmly states that no more group amnesties will ever be granted for anything will be an incentive for others to bring their children for a future amnesty.

Incentives receive too little consideration in legislation. Almost all (actually all?) legislation provides some sort of positive or negative incentive. They really need to bat this stuff around. The legislator who proposes something should be required to submit it to someone who opposes it to figure out the incentives/loopholes that are left in there that the author did not intend. I.E. how can it be gamed?

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Re: Don't Buckle on Immigration

Postby Windy Wilson » Wed Jan 24, 2018 2:37 am

the related willingness of many Republicans to approve an amnesty with few or no conditions

Buckle is their middle names. :twisted:
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Re: Don't Buckle on Immigration

Postby Windy Wilson » Wed Jan 24, 2018 2:42 am

Windy Wilson wrote:
the related willingness of many Republicans to approve an amnesty with few or no conditions

Buckle is their middle names. :twisted:


The legislator who proposes something should be required to submit it to someone who opposes it to figure out the incentives/loopholes that are left in there that the author did not intend. I.E. how can it be gamed?

This is what good lawyers do, and why they are called deal killers. Most contract lawsuits are in essence hiring two lawyers and an overworked judge to decide what the two parties would have done had they thought about this situation in the beginning.
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Re: Don't Buckle on Immigration

Postby Rich » Wed Jan 24, 2018 3:50 am

Amnesty or not, it's an automatic failure without a wall in place.

Build the damn wall to slow the flood to a trickle, then talk about amnesty.

FWIW, it's my belief that we will wind up with some form of amnesty as it will be found to be too expensive to try to deport all the illegals in the country now. And I don't really have a heartburn over it.

But, build the wall.

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Re: Don't Buckle on Immigration

Postby randy » Wed Jan 24, 2018 4:22 am

Rich wrote:FWIW, it's my belief that we will wind up with some form of amnesty as it will be found to be too expensive to try to deport all the illegals


The solution to which (as has happened to some extent in the last year) is to make it uncomfortable and unprofitable for those folks until they self-deport.

Actual enforcement of laws against employing illegals (up to and including jail time, especially for Corporate CEOs and other higher ups that knew, or should have known, their company was playing games). Even if not one goes to Club Fed, the extra expense of maintaining extra staff and lawyers to keep them out of jail could add up to the point where it's cheaper to just not bother with taking the chance.

Hammering "Sanctuary" cities through transferring (not withholding) all Federal funds to jurisdictions in compliance. No grants for anything. No student aid for any school within their borders. No "back pay" either. If you come into compliance, then you can start from scratch. All funds you didn't receive during that period are gone, already spent in compliant jurisdictions. Or for paying for the relocation expenses of Federal Employees to homes outside the jurisdiction, and the relocation of Federal offices.

No official travel by any Federal official not directly involved in National Security, Law Enforcement or tax collection operations (you don't get rid of the IRSthat easy you punks, you still gotta pay without getting any benefits.) anywhere within said borders. Air travel to be routed through airports not associated with a sanctuary location. The extra costs of airline tickets and TDY pay to come from funds that would have gone to that location.

No attendance by any Federal official to any convention, conference training or seminar in your jurisdiction.

No politician or government official from that jurisdiction will be granted admittance to any Federal convention, conference training or seminar, except as determined to be essential to support LE or Defense operations in areas outside of the offending jurisdiction.

If you happen to have a military base in your area, all housing and business establishments are declared Off Limits to all military personnel.

You get the idea...
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Re: Don't Buckle on Immigration

Postby Jered » Wed Jan 24, 2018 5:41 am

randy wrote:
Rich wrote:FWIW, it's my belief that we will wind up with some form of amnesty as it will be found to be too expensive to try to deport all the illegals


The solution to which (as has happened to some extent in the last year) is to make it uncomfortable and unprofitable for those folks until they self-deport.

Actual enforcement of laws against employing illegals (up to and including jail time, especially for Corporate CEOs and other higher ups that knew, or should have known, their company was playing games). Even if not one goes to Club Fed, the extra expense of maintaining extra staff and lawyers to keep them out of jail could add up to the point where it's cheaper to just not bother with taking the chance.

Hammering "Sanctuary" cities through transferring (not withholding) all Federal funds to jurisdictions in compliance. No grants for anything. No student aid for any school within their borders. No "back pay" either. If you come into compliance, then you can start from scratch. All funds you didn't receive during that period are gone, already spent in compliant jurisdictions. Or for paying for the relocation expenses of Federal Employees to homes outside the jurisdiction, and the relocation of Federal offices.

No official travel by any Federal official not directly involved in National Security, Law Enforcement or tax collection operations (you don't get rid of the IRSthat easy you punks, you still gotta pay without getting any benefits.) anywhere within said borders. Air travel to be routed through airports not associated with a sanctuary location. The extra costs of airline tickets and TDY pay to come from funds that would have gone to that location.

No attendance by any Federal official to any convention, conference training or seminar in your jurisdiction.

No politician or government official from that jurisdiction will be granted admittance to any Federal convention, conference training or seminar, except as determined to be essential to support LE or Defense operations in areas outside of the offending jurisdiction.

If you happen to have a military base in your area, all housing and business establishments are declared Off Limits to all military personnel.

You get the idea...


Congress can regulate commerce between the states.

If we wanted to fuck California harder, could Congress cut off their access to the Colorado river and electricity market?

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Re: Don't Buckle on Immigration

Postby Rich » Wed Jan 24, 2018 2:05 pm

Randy, aint gonna happen. The liberal Dems will make it impossible. And the way the American voter lurches from one party to the other, we will always have liberal Dems.
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Re: Don't Buckle on Immigration

Postby randy » Wed Jan 24, 2018 6:39 pm

Rich wrote:Randy, aint gonna happen. The liberal Dems will make it impossible. And the way the American voter lurches from one party to the other, we will always have liberal Dems.


Oh, I know. But a guy can dream.
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Re: Don't Buckle on Immigration

Postby Windy Wilson » Thu Jan 25, 2018 3:43 am

randy wrote:You get the idea...

Sounds like Interdict.
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Re: Don't Buckle on Immigration

Postby Vonz90 » Thu Jan 25, 2018 4:16 pm

Windy Wilson wrote:
Windy Wilson wrote:
the related willingness of many Republicans to approve an amnesty with few or no conditions

Buckle is their middle names. :twisted:


The legislator who proposes something should be required to submit it to someone who opposes it to figure out the incentives/loopholes that are left in there that the author did not intend. I.E. how can it be gamed?

This is what good lawyers do, and why they are called deal killers. Most contract lawsuits are in essence hiring two lawyers and an overworked judge to decide what the two parties would have done had they thought about this situation in the beginning.


You assume that they are not doing it on purpose, which in the case of immigration, is very much not the case.

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Re: Don't Buckle on Immigration

Postby Old Grafton » Fri Jan 26, 2018 1:46 am

Windy Wilson wrote:
randy wrote:You get the idea...

Sounds like Interdict.


Just like "A Connecticut Yankee In King Arthur"s Court" and should be implemented.
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Postby HTRN » Fri Jan 26, 2018 3:58 am

randy wrote:
Rich wrote:Randy, aint gonna happen. The liberal Dems will make it impossible. And the way the American voter lurches from one party to the other, we will always have liberal Dems.


Oh, I know. But a guy can dream.

I used to dream of the day when the American voter comes to his senses and elects me dictator for life. :mrgreen:

How we would deal with th resulting piano wire shortage, i have yet to devise a solution for. ;) :mrgreen:
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Re: Don't Buckle on Immigration

Postby Rich » Fri Jan 26, 2018 4:04 am

HTRN wrote:I used to dream of the day when the American voter comes to his senses and elects me dictator for life. :mrgreen:

How we would deal with th resulting piano wire shortage, i have yet to devise a solution for. ;) :mrgreen:


Yeah, but then who would I talk to late at night without you under my bed?
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Re: Don't Buckle on Immigration

Postby HTRN » Fri Jan 26, 2018 4:15 am

Rich wrote:
HTRN wrote:I used to dream of the day when the American voter comes to his senses and elects me dictator for life. :mrgreen:

How we would deal with th resulting piano wire shortage, i have yet to devise a solution for. ;) :mrgreen:


Yeah, but then who would I talk to late at night without you under my bed?

I find the voices usually are pretty polite company. :mrgreen:
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Re: Don't Buckle on Immigration

Postby Weetabix » Sat Jan 27, 2018 12:27 am

HTRN wrote:I find the voices usually are pretty polite company. :mrgreen:

I know mine have a lot of great ideas.
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