That would be the Israelis. They managed to shoehorn in 105mm rifles and Diesel engines. They were called "Super Shermans".Jered wrote:The French upgunned some Shermans with a 105mm cannon.
Paraguay keeping M3 Stuart, M4 Sherman tanks in service
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Sacrilege! You will turn in your Cavalry Stetson, spurs and saber forthwith!PawPaw wrote:That's cool, although I can't imagine why they would need tanks...
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I wish I knew what happened to my spurs. Lost them during one of the moves, I guess. Sad, but true. I've been meaning to buy a replacement set, but haven't gotten around to it yet.D5CAV wrote:Sacrilege! You will turn in your Cavalry Stetson, spurs and saber forthwith!PawPaw wrote:That's cool, although I can't imagine why they would need tanks...
I did put together a Cav Stetson, and use it during Cowboy Fast Draw events.
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Re: Paraguay keeping M3 Stuart, M4 Sherman tanks in service
You can get refurbed t72s from the Czechs for the price of a luxury car. Figure the leopards have more maintanence needs.D5CAV wrote:I was at the auction when the hammer came down on that very same Chieftain for a little over $100k.g-man wrote:Looking around on teh intarwebz a bit, it appears these are pretty much the extent of their armor capabilities. So, if you've got a spare $250k lying around, you could pick up the Chieftain that's available and then take over Paraguay. Just sayin'...
The real deal, if I had the money, was the Leopard 2 with live gun and two power packs that sold for about $200k.
At that very same auction, the Sherman tanks sold for between $500k and $1 million.
Paraguay should sell their WW2 era tanks for big $$$s to collectors and buy some of the surplus Leopard 2's floating around the global arms market.
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It could be a wash as far as maintenance goes. The Russians designed with the philosophy that they would do limited field maintenance and if a tank was down they move it back to a moveable depot that would have the cranes needed to pull the turret to so they could get at the engine. The depot would also have a stock of parts. Also the T-72's had an auto-loader which adds to the complexity.slowpoke wrote:You can get refurbed t72s from the Czechs for the price of a luxury car. Figure the leopards have more maintanence needs.D5CAV wrote:I was at the auction when the hammer came down on that very same Chieftain for a little over $100k.g-man wrote:Looking around on teh intarwebz a bit, it appears these are pretty much the extent of their armor capabilities. So, if you've got a spare $250k lying around, you could pick up the Chieftain that's available and then take over Paraguay. Just sayin'...
The real deal, if I had the money, was the Leopard 2 with live gun and two power packs that sold for about $200k.
At that very same auction, the Sherman tanks sold for between $500k and $1 million.
Paraguay should sell their WW2 era tanks for big $$$s to collectors and buy some of the surplus Leopard 2's floating around the global arms market.
The Leopard 2 needs a trailer for the German instruction manuals
"You vill use the 0.2 kilogram hammer on the v-847.09 nut remover until a full turn es done then you will use the k-457.021A 21mm wrench to completely remove the nut which you vill place in the organizational board (zIV-mine got) in the spot identified for it."
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Re: Paraguay keeping M3 Stuart, M4 Sherman tanks in service
The onboard computer is telling me that the circuit boards in track pads 4, 17, 32, and 66 need their batteries changed and clocks wound.toad wrote:It could be a wash as far as maintenance goes. The Russians designed with the philosophy that they would do limited field maintenance and if a tank was down they move it back to a moveable depot that would have the cranes needed to pull the turret to so they could get at the engine. The depot would also have a stock of parts. Also the T-72's had an auto-loader which adds to the complexity.slowpoke wrote:You can get refurbed t72s from the Czechs for the price of a luxury car. Figure the leopards have more maintanence needs.D5CAV wrote: I was at the auction when the hammer came down on that very same Chieftain for a little over $100k.
The real deal, if I had the money, was the Leopard 2 with live gun and two power packs that sold for about $200k.
At that very same auction, the Sherman tanks sold for between $500k and $1 million.
Paraguay should sell their WW2 era tanks for big $$$s to collectors and buy some of the surplus Leopard 2's floating around the global arms market.
The Leopard 2 needs a trailer for the German instruction manuals
"You vill use the 0.2 kilogram hammer on the v-847.09 nut remover until a full turn es done then you will use the k-457.021A 21mm wrench to completely remove the nut which you vill place in the organizational board (zIV-mine got) in the spot identified for it."
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Re: Paraguay keeping M3 Stuart, M4 Sherman tanks in service
If on my own dime, I wouldn't wanna play with anything German bigger or more recent than a Panzer IV or StuG III.
I wouldn't buy anything Russian pretty much ever.
M4A3E8? Now that's the goal.
I wouldn't buy anything Russian pretty much ever.
M4A3E8? Now that's the goal.
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Re: Paraguay keeping M3 Stuart, M4 Sherman tanks in service
The joke back in the 80's was that the Red Army Choir had a large group of one armed sopranos who were former T-72 gunners.toad wrote: Also the T-72's had an auto-loader which adds to the complexity.
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Re: Paraguay keeping M3 Stuart, M4 Sherman tanks in service
This. There is or was, until fairly recently a large glut of let's on the market, with various your open militaries downsizing due to budget cuts. The 2a6 version takes second place only to the latest and greatest version of the Abrams, ND could probably be had for under a million a unit. Add in a panzer 2000 for mobile artillery and you've got something to even make uncle Sam a bit nervous about fighting.D5CAV wrote:Paraguay should sell their WW2 era tanks for big $$$s to collectors and buy some of the surplus Leopard 2's floating around the global arms market.
But this would involve, you know forethought, and not giving in to massive amountso of graft and corruption involved in the funds.
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Re: Paraguay keeping M3 Stuart, M4 Sherman tanks in service
Why?HTRN wrote:This. There is or was, until fairly recently a large glut of let's on the market, with various your open militaries downsizing due to budget cuts. The 2a6 version takes second place only to the latest and greatest version of the Abrams, ND could probably be had for under a million a unit. Add in a panzer 2000 for mobile artillery and you've got something to even make uncle Sam a bit nervous about fighting.D5CAV wrote:Paraguay should sell their WW2 era tanks for big $$$s to collectors and buy some of the surplus Leopard 2's floating around the global arms market.
But this would involve, you know forethought, and not giving in to massive amountso of graft and corruption involved in the funds.
Seriously, why would they bother?
What they have is cheap, simple, easy to maintain. They have no military purpose, aside from maybe what our SWAT teams have APC's for. They're toys to look good in parades and they do that just fine.
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