Changing the “Macho” Male Culture of the US Military

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Jericho941 wrote:
skb12172 wrote:well...superior technology can only take you so far. It may not be superior for much longer either, as that gap is also closing.
In what area?
In several areas, but most alarmingly, in Space. There are many more articles than this, but here's a taste. Are we in immediate peril? No, but let's have another decade of what we've got right now and see where we are.

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Hmm. Yeah, some of those are cause for concern, but nothing there is significantly alarming. Adversaries adapting to our space capabilities (and gaining their own) is to be expected. The thing to remember is that most media thrives on doomsaying, especially when it comes to the military.

2 (The Economist) makes a dig at the stealth of the F-35 and immediately touts "stealthy, long-range strike drones" as a better investment. I know the media has a massive boner for UAVs of all kinds, but here's the thing: There is no such thing as a stealthy, long-range strike drone. There are, however, pretty stealthy cruise missiles, which are already a thing. Anyway, we don't trust drones to unilaterally select and fire on targets. Any drone used as a strike aircraft will be in constant contact with someone looking at what it's looking at, and will only fire with his or her say-so. Which means it's constantly emitting RF. Which means it's not very stealthy at all. :lol:
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scipioafricanus wrote:Fine, abolish the dual PT requirements. Everyone takes the same test.

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scipioafricanus wrote:Fine, abolish the dual PT requirements. Everyone takes the same test.

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Oh yeah, baby. :lol:

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scipioafricanus wrote:Fine, abolish the dual PT requirements. Everyone takes the [strike]same[/strike] male test.

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FIFY.

In 45 minutes, you have exactly 27 females left in the entire US military.
Including precisely none at the service academies.

You explain to the ones remaining that they can do any job they want, but that there will no longer be separate-sex barracks/berthing or bathroom facilities, including in the field.
And that they will be assigned to combat arms and combat billets in the exact same ratio that men are service-wide.

By T+30" you have returned the military to a one-sex organization, using a single standard that's equally fair to everyone.

You tell the really butch Gender Warriors agitating from the outside they are free to become Girl Scout troop leaders, and let the military get back to fighting wars.
And remind them that the only jobs women are biologically better-suited for than men are birthing babies and nursing infants, neither of which specialties represent any current MOS nor military requirements.
Concurrently, you rename DoD back to the War Department.
If they have any jobs open to women, they are free to be employed by the War Department as civilian employees there, to include stateside clerks and jerks, and hospital nursing staff.

And just to make things sporty, all military commands have to institute a voluntary quarterly 10K run on a weekend, led without exception by the respective one-, two-, three-, and four-star general/flag rank leaders.
In any command where the leader in question doesn't complete the run, or that doesn't muster >51% overall turnout and >80% officer turnout, that general officer is cashiered on the spot for leadership failure.
Thus endeth the era of political appointee generals.

Next problem.
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Aesop wrote:
scipioafricanus wrote:Fine, abolish the dual PT requirements. Everyone takes the [strike]same[/strike] male test.

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FIFY.

In 45 minutes, you have exactly 27 females left in the entire US military.
Including precisely none at the service academies.
The fleet's physical standards pale in comparison to those of the service academies.

But I'm sure that you knew that.
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Yeah, I always enjoyed trying to explain to a male 40-YO E-7 that if he was an 18-YO female, he'd have passed his PT test with a perfect score. As it was, he failed. Badly.
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I'm surprised there haven't been lawsuits over that.
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skb12172 wrote:I'm surprised there haven't been lawsuits over that.
Because it's the US military.
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The Air Force rationale is that it has nothing to do with physical ability on the job, it's about health. A "healthy" female under 30 only needs to be able to "run" a mile and a half in 16:22 or less to be "moderate risk." In other words, an 18 year old that can barely manage to jog a mile and a half might want to consider making different life choices like quitting smoking or whatever, but the Air Force isn't gonna make her do it. Granted, at that speed her score would be so low, she'd better do great on push-ups and crunches.

The absolute minimums for those are 18 and 38, respectively.

A run time of 16:22 would be an automatic failure for any male up to age 49. Only 50-59 year-olds could do 18 push-ups and hope to pass.

The only women who fail AF PT tests tend to be the ones who ballooned like crazy during a pregnancy, or had bad timing on being declared eligible to test again after an injury.

Which, really, is the only real focus of the AF PT program: Force reduction and booting out fat chicks.
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