12Ga Beehive Round??

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Re: 12Ga Beehive Round??

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HTRN wrote:
SeekHer wrote:Other then having run out of shotshells and you've stockpiled a shit load of rimfire I can not conceive of an application for this device.
I can - it's called "having something to shoot out of a nice shiny new 40mm grenade launcher that doesn't cost 20 bucks each time you pull the trigger".

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I agree that would be a lovely thing to do but the OP (The Wizard) wanted it for a 12 bore shotgun not a 40mm grenade launcher which most of us c/would never own anyway.
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CByrneIV wrote:And THAT friends, is a machine gun according to the ATF.
It is linked from a page titled, "SBR's, DD's, and AOW's".

That means, if it was manufactured and registered after May 19, 1986, it's only available to law enforcement and military.
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SeekHer wrote:
HTRN wrote:
SeekHer wrote:Other then having run out of shotshells and you've stockpiled a shit load of rimfire I can not conceive of an application for this device.
I can - it's called "having something to shoot out of a nice shiny new 40mm grenade launcher that doesn't cost 20 bucks each time you pull the trigger".

HTRN
I agree that would be a lovely thing to do but the OP (The Wizard) wanted it for a 12 bore shotgun not a 40mm grenade launcher which most of us c/would never own anyway.
yep i did except i was under the impression that it wouldnt be a machine gun because as i said even though it would be several rounds of fixed .22LR it would be encased in a single 12Ga shell and fired by a single primer strike...

time to derail my own thread....

if someone were to make a gun, say a double barrel shotgun that had a single trigger, and built it to volley fire both barrels every time that the trigger was pulled am i correct in assuming that it would also be a machine gun or destructive device or both?
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if someone were to make a gun, say a double barrel shotgun that had a single trigger, and built it to volley fire both barrels every time that the trigger was pulled am i correct in assuming that it would also be a machine gun or destructive device or both?
That's about the size of it. I'd personally stick with buckshot.
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That picture of the beehive round is interesting, but I'm surprised they don't just use a giant shotgun cartridge instead.
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SoupOrMan wrote:That picture of the beehive round is interesting, but I'm surprised they don't just use a giant shotgun cartridge instead.
In the old M79 "Blooper" guns they did along with WP, HE, anti personnel and flares.

Who would buy it? Police and military can get the real rounds and it would be illegal for anyone else as Chris pointed out.

Why would they? Ten pellets coming out of a 37 or 40mm tube to begin with and then the aerodynamics--if you'd want to call it that...Do you think, one bullet at ten yards would stick in point first? Wonder what the spread would be like?
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The Wizard wrote:if someone were to make a gun, say a double barrel shotgun that had a single trigger, and built it to volley fire both barrels every time that the trigger was pulled am i correct in assuming that it would also be a machine gun or destructive device or both?
Yes -- it would be a MACHINE GUN according to the BATFEces FTB.

Read the transcripts of Olafson's trial -- this point was hammered home over and over, and is the reason he's in prison instead of walking around free.

According to the BATFEces,
the law says ANY weapon firing more than one round with a single trigger-pull is a machine gun.
"So, if Grandpa's double-barrel was broken and fired both at once, it's a machine gun?"
the law says ANY weapon firing more than one round with a single trigger-pull is a machine gun.
Even if it's BROKEN??!!
the law says ANY weapon firing more than one round with a single trigger-pull is a machine gun.
Even though it wasn't designed to multi-fire, even though nobody tampered with it -- even though it's just broken??!!
the law says ANY weapon firing more than one round with a single trigger-pull is a machine gun.
Continue to repeat, ad-nauseum.

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Even though it wasn't designed to multi-fire, even though nobody tampered with it -- even though it's just broken??!!
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the law says ANY weapon firing more than one round with a single trigger-pull is a machine gun.
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Check out the SPIW fiasco, aka Project Salvo.

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