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Pocket-size Night Vision gear

Postby Denis » Wed Jan 06, 2016 11:29 am

This product announcement / advertising blurb from FLIR got me interested...

http://www.flir.com/hunting-outdoor/display/?id=72845

Seemingly RRSP will be around US$600.

Thoughts? Experience? Is NV gear at that price point useful, or just a gimmick/toy?

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Re: Pocket-size Night Vision gear

Postby Aesop » Wed Jan 06, 2016 11:59 am

Almost certainly just a gimmick/toy.

Unless I see someone with other experience, I suspect FLIR just wanted to capitalize on the Stupid Cheapskate price point currently hogged by people like Bushnell, and various 2nd and 3rd world purveyors of crap NV gear.

Real night vision costs real money. There is no substitute for Gen II+ or better mil-spec gear, and that costs what it costs.

The closest bargain gear you can get is the lower than visible light capability of certain handicams, but that's not immediately useful until you run it back and examine the product. (The cartels' coyotes have been using exactly this to detect active IR sources along the southern US border for the last 5-8 years, with moderate success in finding things like IR trailcams and illuminators.)

Passive, Gen II+, goes for US$2K and up, last I looked.
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Re: Pocket-size Night Vision gear

Postby BDK » Wed Jan 06, 2016 8:56 pm

If it can find hot spots, it will have commercial use for $600 - I.E., we will almost certainly buy one to try out.

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Re: Pocket-size Night Vision gear

Postby Termite » Thu Jan 07, 2016 7:17 am

Aesop wrote:The closest bargain gear you can get is the lower than visible light capability of certain handicams, but that's not immediately useful until you run it back and examine the product.

IIRC,
Some of them will bluetooth to a tablet or smart phone, making them semi-useful in the field.

But Aesop is correct, American/Euro/Japanese Gen II or better is pricey for the average Joe Sixpack.
The Russian Gen II is cheaper; and somewhat tolerable to use........but only at fairly close range, ie, 100 meters or so.

Gen IV is.........pretty awesome. And expensive. As in $9000 for goggles.
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Re: Pocket-size Night Vision gear

Postby NVGdude » Thu Jan 14, 2016 7:58 am

Termite wrote:
Gen IV is.........pretty awesome. And expensive. As in $9000 for goggles.


Now now, it's not quite THAT bad. If it is, my vendors are making way more than we are on the tubes. ;)

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Re: Pocket-size Night Vision gear

Postby Netpackrat » Thu Jan 14, 2016 9:01 am

Seems pretty bad, unless this link is only for suckers:

http://www.amazon.com/ATN-PS15-4-Vision ... B000NT4FHC
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Re: Pocket-size Night Vision gear

Postby NVGdude » Fri Jan 15, 2016 2:58 am

Netpackrat wrote:Seems pretty bad, unless this link is only for suckers:

http://www.amazon.com/ATN-PS15-4-Vision ... B000NT4FHC



Dual tube system. Price is reasonablish.

I'd need to see the tube spec sheets of course...

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Re: Pocket-size Night Vision gear

Postby JustinR » Sat Jan 16, 2016 3:46 am

The first thing I would point out is that the FLIR monocular is thermal, not light intensifying "night vision."

I have a cheap ($90) Gen 1 monocular, and on full moon nights it's pretty handy, less than 100 yards. On dark nights, even with the IR illuminator, it's hard to see past 50, as well as hard to focus. A friend of mine has a set of PVS-14 goggles, and I got a chance to play with them. It's literally like daytime, but with the several thousand dollar price tag.

I have a Seek Thermal "Compact" thermal camera that attaches to my iPhone. It uses the new thermal imaging chip technology (the same as the FLIR monocular if I'm not mistaken) that allows for thermal imaging without the bulky and expensive cooling system for the chip. The one I have has a 206 x 156 imaging sensor, and the example images they give are fairly representative of what it will do. I wish I had known they were coming out with the smaller FOV, but deeper viewable range lens version, since I primarily use it in the hunting blind looking for hogs. At 100-150 yards I can tell there is "something" out there, when looking at the horses in the paddock. However, to get a decent image it needs to be 50-75 yards or closer. It's still a respectable piece of tech for what it is.
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Re: Pocket-size Night Vision gear

Postby Combat Controller » Wed Feb 03, 2016 7:30 am

Unless you want HUD... These are about 40k *if* you can source them.
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Postby Jered » Thu Feb 04, 2016 1:38 am

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Re: Pocket-size Night Vision gear

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Jered wrote:When did the Borg assimilate CC?


Actually, I think the questions is when did CC assimilate the Borg?

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Re: Pocket-size Night Vision gear

Postby SoupOrMan » Sat Feb 06, 2016 5:58 am

Yeah, but when I wear my night vision gear to work, everybody freaks out.
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Re: Pocket-size Night Vision gear

Postby HTRN » Sun Feb 07, 2016 9:16 am

I believe that the best bang for your buck in nv, is probably a pair of pvs-14. Less than that, and you're wasting you're time and money. More than that, and you're talking serious coin to do significantly better.
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Re: Pocket-size Night Vision gear

Postby rightisright » Sun Jul 24, 2016 12:28 am

I have a line on some very well maintained NVG:
PVS-7 Gen 3 NVG. Flawless Omni 4 tube, low hours. Comes with manual, skull crusher, case.


Guy is a respected and reputable local seller and is asking $1200. I don't really need NVG, but this seems like a very good deal.

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Re: Pocket-size Night Vision gear

Postby NVGdude » Thu Nov 24, 2016 6:28 pm

It's a microbolometer.

So, it's Thermal, not Night Vision (I-squared)

Resolution is pretty crappy. IMHO it's a toy, not a serious piece of equipment.


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