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Can We Mount This On The Deck Of The SS Guncounter?

Postby mekender » Thu Oct 22, 2009 6:13 pm

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Re: Can We Mount This On The Deck Of The SS Guncounter?

Postby Ben Rumson » Thu Oct 22, 2009 6:42 pm

I think it can be done.

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Re: Can We Mount This On The Deck Of The SS Guncounter?

Postby HTRN » Thu Oct 22, 2009 6:44 pm

I had to. :mrgreen:


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Re: Can We Mount This On The Deck Of The SS Guncounter?

Postby HTRN » Thu Oct 22, 2009 6:44 pm

Double post.
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Re: Can We Mount This On The Deck Of The SS Guncounter?

Postby moose42 » Thu Oct 22, 2009 6:46 pm

HTRN wrote:I had to. :mrgreen:
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What double post? :lol: The awesomeness of manning the Harpoons was too much for one single post! :D

Awesome! Harpooning pirates for the win!
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Re: Can We Mount This On The Deck Of The SS Guncounter?

Postby arctictom » Thu Oct 22, 2009 7:03 pm

I have tasted whale , it is definatly an acquired taste. Um it might serve a purpose for these
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Re: Can We Mount This On The Deck Of The SS Guncounter?

Postby Bob K » Thu Oct 22, 2009 7:04 pm

Imagine what this could do to a motorized, rubber dinghy. Heh, heh.
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Re: Can We Mount This On The Deck Of The SS Guncounter?

Postby Lokidude » Thu Oct 22, 2009 7:37 pm

Lose the rope, add an RPG warhead, and it would be beyond nifty!

That, or leave the rope, and we can use it for boarding actions.
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Re: Can We Mount This On The Deck Of The SS Guncounter?

Postby SoupOrMan » Thu Oct 22, 2009 8:13 pm

Who were those knuckleheads who were attacking the whaling ships in the Antarctic while flying under the Jolly Roger?

I bet they'd crap themselves loudly for the cameras if someone put a harpoon through their wheelhouse...
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Re: Can We Mount This On The Deck Of The SS Guncounter?

Postby Windy Wilson » Fri Oct 23, 2009 6:10 pm

Bob K wrote:Imagine what this could do to a motorized, rubber dinghy. Heh, heh.

What DID happen to that Greenpeace boat in the French South Pacific Atomic Bomb Test Area a few years back?
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Re: Can We Mount This On The Deck Of The SS Guncounter?

Postby randy » Fri Oct 23, 2009 11:21 pm

Sunk by demolition charges planted by the DSGE while it was in port in New Zealand, killed one of the Green Peacers IIRC.
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Re: Can We Mount This On The Deck Of The SS Guncounter?

Postby Netpackrat » Sat Oct 24, 2009 12:36 am

Forget the harpoon, can it be rigged to fire grape shot?
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Re: Can We Mount This On The Deck Of The SS Guncounter?

Postby Vonz90 » Sat Oct 24, 2009 12:47 am

Why the heck would we want that unless we are going wale hunting. How about one of these.
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Postby Highspeed » Sat Oct 24, 2009 3:48 am

randy wrote:Sunk by demolition charges planted by the DSGE while it was in port in New Zealand, killed one of the Green Peacers IIRC.


Another proud moment in the annals ( anals ? ) of French military history. I don't like stupid hippies any more than any other sane person, but there isn't any need to kill them. A good hard smack in the mouth should be enough, then make them wash and get a job. That's actually worse than death to them.
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Re: Can We Mount This On The Deck Of The SS Guncounter?

Postby HTRN » Sat Oct 24, 2009 4:18 am

CByrneIV wrote:I was thinking a couple of dual mount 4" rapid firing.

4"?

United Defense is going to be building new 5" rapid fire guns for the Cruiser Modernization program.. They're not very heavy either - under 2 tons.

Or we could do what the Germans did - rip a turret off of an SP gun, and put it on a frigate.


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Re: Can We Mount This On The Deck Of The SS Guncounter?

Postby Aegis » Sat Oct 24, 2009 7:30 am

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CByrneIV wrote:I was thinking a couple of dual mount 4" rapid firing.

4"?

United Defense is going to be building new 5" rapid fire guns for the Cruiser Modernization program.. They're not very heavy either - under 2 tons.

Or we could do what the Germans did - rip a turret off of an SP gun, and put it on a frigate.


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I'm also curious about the 4" thing. I never saw nor heard about any 4-inchers. But if you're dead-set on that size, it's just a hair under 105mm.
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Postby sam » Sat Oct 24, 2009 8:50 am

Can we have TOT capability, please?

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Re: Can We Mount This On The Deck Of The SS Guncounter?

Postby HTRN » Sat Oct 24, 2009 2:19 pm

Aegis wrote:I'm also curious about the 4" thing. I never saw nor heard about any 4-inchers. But if you're dead-set on that size, it's just a hair under 105mm.


OTO Melara is making a "Super Rapid" 76mm (3"), that fires something like 120 rds/min. Perhaps that's what he's referring to. The US navy uses a slower firing "compact" version..


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Postby FelixEstrella » Sat Oct 24, 2009 2:37 pm

Highspeed wrote:Another proud moment in the annals ( anals ? ) of French military history. I don't like stupid hippies any more than any other sane person, but there isn't any need to kill them.


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Re: Can We Mount This On The Deck Of The SS Guncounter?

Postby Vonz90 » Sat Oct 24, 2009 3:52 pm

I don't know that a big deck gun would be very useful for the proposed mission. If one is absolutely wanted, probably an OTO Melara lightweight 76 would be the way to go.

I think light weight fast firing would be the way to go. If we want more punch, stick some surface to surface missiles on there. I would go with these: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gabriel_missile but Penguin or Kormorant would be good choices as well. If the ship is smaller, maybe sea-hellfire.

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Re: Can We Mount This On The Deck Of The SS Guncounter?

Postby Dub_James » Sat Oct 24, 2009 5:34 pm

According to the Wiki, Mark III Gabriels have Fire and Forget capability.

Good. We can get back to manning the harpoons quicker 8-)
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Re: Can We Mount This On The Deck Of The SS Guncounter?

Postby HTRN » Sat Oct 24, 2009 6:13 pm

Hell, I think a bow mounted single Bushmaster III(35mm) and a pair of twin mount 50s on the stern is about the best setup. Add in some heavier weapons on board(Stinger, SMAW, Javelin, 40mm AGL, etc) that can be broken out of the armory as needed.. Remember, we're talking pirates, not a real warship.

What would be a real boon is a small armed helicopter, for fast scouting, like the Little Bird.


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Re: Can We Mount This On The Deck Of The SS Guncounter?

Postby Aegis » Sat Oct 24, 2009 6:42 pm

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Aegis wrote:I'm also curious about the 4" thing. I never saw nor heard about any 4-inchers. But if you're dead-set on that size, it's just a hair under 105mm.


OTO Melara is making a "Super Rapid" 76mm (3"), that fires something like 120 rds/min. Perhaps that's what he's referring to. The US navy uses a slower firing "compact" version..


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All my friends aboard frigates have nothing good to say about the 76mms... No experience with them myself, but if the hearsay is true, then I'd rather not rely on one.

CByrneIV wrote:In this case, I was appealing to the historical precedent, of the 4" British gun being used to arm shipping traveling around Africa.


Ah hah.... Fascinating. I never would have even assumed to think about British weaponry.
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The Little Bird would be nice, but how about a nice Lynx?
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Re: Can We Mount This On The Deck Of The SS Guncounter?

Postby HTRN » Sat Oct 24, 2009 9:46 pm

Too big - the bigger the copter, the bigger the landing pad has to be.


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Re: Can We Mount This On The Deck Of The SS Guncounter?

Postby randy » Sat Oct 24, 2009 9:51 pm

HTRN wrote:Too big - the bigger the copter, the bigger the landing pad has to be.


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Not to mention hangar space (even if all you use is a temporary cover), maintenance area, etc.
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Re: Can We Mount This On The Deck Of The SS Guncounter?

Postby HTRN » Sat Oct 24, 2009 10:23 pm

Hmm, Dillon M134DT(42lbs), a 3000 round little bird magazine(207lbs full).. Total weight for a gun system is 249lbs. Add in another 50lbs for mounting hardware, etc. call it 300lbs even.

Hmm, a M260 70mm rocket launcher weighs only 315 pounds with the heaviest rockets..


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Postby workinwifdakids » Sun Oct 25, 2009 3:02 am

CByrneIV wrote:
HTRN wrote:Too big - the bigger the copter, the bigger the landing pad has to be.

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We could basically custom build them from the ground up to carry whatever weapons systems we wanted.


What preparations would we have to make to drop hand grenades on them while making high-speed passes?
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Re: Can We Mount This On The Deck Of The SS Guncounter?

Postby AZMARK » Sun Oct 25, 2009 6:09 am

workinwifdakids wrote:What preparations would we have to make to drop hand grenades on them while making high-speed passes?
:twisted:


Just a couple of quart mason jars, pull the pins before the run and let'em go.
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Re: Can We Mount This On The Deck Of The SS Guncounter?

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AZMARK wrote:
workinwifdakids wrote:What preparations would we have to make to drop hand grenades on them while making high-speed passes?
:twisted:


Just a couple of quart mason jars, pull the pins before the run and let'em go.


They wouldn't be effective. Might scare them, but that is it.


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