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Re: Winchester Model 70 .416 Rem Mag

Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2018 11:52 pm
by Jered
Didn't someone in an MHI novel get one of these?

Re: Winchester Model 70 .416 Rem Mag

Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2018 1:22 am
by D5CAV
HTRN wrote:
Thu Jul 19, 2018 10:40 pm
If you want a 458 Winchester, i think a cz 550 is around 1100. Theres a 70 suoergrade on gunbroker right now for similar money, and a super express for 200 more.

Can you point me to the Gunbroker auction?

A pre-64 Winchester Model 70 Supergrade for $1,100 is a great price. In any magnum caliber is a steal. Gunbroker has a pre-64 Winchester M70 supergrade in .270 Win for starting bid of $3400 (too high)

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/772161402

A casual perusal of Gunbroker yields a pre-64 Winchester M70 in .300 H&H (long action, so can fit a .458 Lott) for $3,300 (also too high IMHO), and a pre-64 Winchester M70 in .375 H&H (also long action, but has a nice heavy contour barrel to open up to .458) for $5,000 (way too high).

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/772132828

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/771382622

Re: Winchester Model 70 .416 Rem Mag

Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2018 4:29 am
by HTRN
It osnt a pre64, i think it was a post 94 "classic" crf action

Re: Winchester Model 70 .416 Rem Mag

Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2018 5:11 am
by D5CAV
HTRN wrote:
Thu Jul 26, 2018 4:29 am
It osnt a pre64, i think it was a post 94 "classic" crf action
If you want to build a DG gun in .458 Lott, I would recommend going with a pre-64 Winchester Model 70 donor rifle with long action.

I've seen some gunsmith specials where they shoe-horned a .375 H&H into a standard action, and the result wasn't satisfactory IMHO.

If you are patient, you can find a .300 H&H that's been converted to .300 Wby Mag in a pre-64 Model 70 for about $1500. A .300 H&H commands a premium, but you are losing the barrel anyway to replace with a .458 Lott, so who cares?

A pre-64 Model 70 in .375 H&H can be had for a about $2500 if you are patient. The profile of that barrel is heavy enough that you could bore it out from .375 to .458 diameter and still have plenty of steel.

I've had two MIM parts break on post-64 CRF Winchester Model 70s. Now that is out of almost a dozen post 64 Model 70s, so not a common problem, but if I was going to go through the time, effort and expense to build a custom gun, starting with a $1500 donor rifle vs. a $750 donor rifle (post 64 CRF) is only going to add 10% to 20% to the final cost. Well worth the premium, IMHO.

Re: Winchester Model 70 .416 Rem Mag

Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2018 10:11 am
by HTRN
What exactly broke? You are aware that the claw and bottom metal is available from williams made from barstock, ptg makes the safety latch, as well. The reason why i want to use a post 94 classic action, is iwant to buils it in stainless, although for what theyre getting for them these days, i may just use a Montana 1999 action in stainless instead.

Re: Winchester Model 70 .416 Rem Mag

Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2018 4:43 pm
by D5CAV
HTRN wrote:
Mon Jul 30, 2018 10:11 am
What exactly broke? You are aware that the claw and bottom metal is available from williams made from barstock, ptg makes the safety latch, as well. The reason why i want to use a post 94 classic action, is iwant to buils it in stainless, although for what theyre getting for them these days, i may just use a Montana 1999 action in stainless instead.
Safety lever on one. Something in the safety/sear mechanism on the other. The second issue was deep enough in the mechanism it was beyond my pay grade, so took it to a gunsmith for remediation.

IIRC, Montana 1999 is investment cast, which is done pretty well these days, but still not forged.

Re: Winchester Model 70 .416 Rem Mag

Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2018 5:25 pm
by HTRN
Go priced a forged action in stainless. I think Saterlee gets almost 4 grand, with a 3 year wait.

Re: Winchester Model 70 .416 Rem Mag

Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2018 11:04 am
by Cybrludite
Jered wrote:
Sun Jul 22, 2018 11:52 pm
Didn't someone in an MHI novel get one of these?
Bystander who got involved with the Gargoyle fight in the first book. Carlyle was the name, I think, with a .458 WinMag.

Re: Winchester Model 70 .416 Rem Mag

Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2018 12:47 am
by Jered
Cybrludite wrote:
Tue Sep 11, 2018 11:04 am
Jered wrote:
Sun Jul 22, 2018 11:52 pm
Didn't someone in an MHI novel get one of these?
Bystander who got involved with the Gargoyle fight in the first book. Carlyle was the name, I think, with a .458 WinMag.
Not that MHI book.

Don't you have one?

Re: Winchester Model 70 .416 Rem Mag

Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2018 5:04 am
by Cybrludite
Jered wrote:
Wed Sep 12, 2018 12:47 am
Cybrludite wrote:
Tue Sep 11, 2018 11:04 am
Jered wrote:
Sun Jul 22, 2018 11:52 pm
Didn't someone in an MHI novel get one of these?
Bystander who got involved with the Gargoyle fight in the first book. Carlyle was the name, I think, with a .458 WinMag.
Not that MHI book.

Don't you have one?
D'oh! :oops: :lol: Yup, a CZ550 Safari Magnum in .458 WinMag. I thought you meant folks who used one in the books.