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NRA Disallows 1911s As Approved Carry Guns.

Postby skb12172 » Tue Jun 20, 2017 6:28 pm

Poster Boy has mangled hand. He had them permanently set it in a claw so he could still shoot dominant. Still bad trigger discipline.

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Postby Netpackrat » Tue Jun 20, 2017 8:36 pm

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Re: NRA Disallows 1911s As Approved Carry Guns.

Postby Weetabix » Tue Jun 20, 2017 9:18 pm

Why did they do this? They don't like cocked and locked? Are there WWII vets there with the grip safety taped down?
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Re: NRA Disallows 1911s As Approved Carry Guns.

Postby skb12172 » Tue Jun 20, 2017 9:21 pm

Unclear. Some suspect capacity is the issue, since 1911 is still an accepted backup.

Once again, the NRA steps on its dick with the base.
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Re: NRA Disallows 1911s As Approved Carry Guns.

Postby Greg » Tue Jun 20, 2017 10:33 pm

They don't want revolvers either, and that seems like potentially a bigger deal.
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Re: NRA Disallows 1911s As Approved Carry Guns.

Postby g-man » Wed Jun 21, 2017 1:08 am

I don't care how 'tacticool' his previous job title credentials make him, nor that he's committed / crazy enough to get the surgeons to buy into rigging up his right claw. But as a national-level safety instructor, you should be able to at least demonstrate the proper way to clear the holster, even if you don't do it under duress. If he wants to skin the smokewagon that way in his private time, so be it. But as a safety instructor? That's got all kinds of nope written all over it.

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Re: NRA Disallows 1911s As Approved Carry Guns.

Postby Jered » Wed Jun 21, 2017 4:53 am

*blinks rapidly*

I've never heard anyone teach to clear a holster that way.

After seeing that picture, I have no interest in taking any NRA classes.
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Re: NRA Disallows 1911s As Approved Carry Guns.

Postby FelixEstrella » Wed Jun 21, 2017 5:17 am

Wait. The picture prefacing the article. Is that a finger on the trigger before gun is on target and shooter is ready to fire?

I think I see the problem.

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Re: NRA Disallows 1911s As Approved Carry Guns.

Postby Netpackrat » Wed Jun 21, 2017 5:59 am

Yeah, they should have picked a different picture, but the guy is a Vietnam veteran whose hand was injured in a grenade explosion. When the doctors put it back together, he had them form it into that shape so he could still shoot a pistol with his right hand. Given the decades since that happened, if he still hasn't shot his own leg then I am willing to give him a free pass. Still a horrible choice of a picture to use.
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Re: NRA Disallows 1911s As Approved Carry Guns.

Postby g-man » Wed Jun 21, 2017 12:12 pm

No issue with him doing what he does... but the NRA' s decision to use that particular photo, combined with the original point (1911 is disallowed as a primary weapon for this course) is further proof to me that they're too stupid to listened to. Is it a capacity thing? If so, why not allow a double-stack 1911? Gun isn't 'safe' enough? See previous point about photo evidence of basic safety fail.
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Postby Weetabix » Wed Jun 21, 2017 3:24 pm

Bad photo choice. They should have had one with him on target and ready to fire. He could explain his disability in class and command the students not to do what they see him doing.

Now, it could be that tacticool wannabes who don't take the class or read the follow up will think, "Serious operator does it, so I must do it, too."
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Re: NRA Disallows 1911s As Approved Carry Guns.

Postby g-man » Wed Jun 21, 2017 5:45 pm

From an actuarial standpoint, I can't see this as anything but a HUGE moneymaker for the NRA, since the number of prosecutions following righteous shootings appears to be on the decline. Especially given the proliferation of shall-issue laws in many states over the past couple of decades. Prosecutors are not so keen to charge the kind of upstanding citizens who would have a CCW AND this insurance, but that's just the view from my foxhole. The break-even numbers for this are very low given the number of members the NRA has.

The BEST insurance is taking the oft-repeated advice to STFU and demand your lawyer.

ETA: Looking at the Carry Guard website... $850 for their 3-day course? Based on what else is out there.. no thanks.
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Postby Netpackrat » Fri Jun 23, 2017 3:53 pm

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Re: NRA Disallows 1911s As Approved Carry Guns.

Postby Langenator » Sat Jun 24, 2017 11:32 am

g-man wrote: Is it a capacity thing? If so, why not allow a double-stack 1911? Gun isn't 'safe' enough?


It might be a capacity thing. As for safety...show up with a BHP and see how they react.
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Re: NRA Disallows 1911s As Approved Carry Guns.

Postby 308Mike » Mon Jun 26, 2017 2:51 am

I suspect the issue came about due to the personal prejudices of the curriculum director, James Jarrett, and had no basis in fact regarding carry capacity or being a semi-auto. I confirmed they have altered their stance by checking enrollment in their course and here's the info from their (the NRA's) website:
*NOTE ON FIREARMS AND AMMUNITION: You will need one handgun with a 6-round or greater carrying capacity (revolver or semi-auto) that you are comfortable firing 1,500 rounds through over the course of 3 days. This will be your “primary” handgun throughout the training where the focus is developing the fundamentals.

Though not necessary to take the Carry Guard Level 1 course, if you have a second handgun of any size and type that you carry (or may carry) concealed, please bring that as well.

All students will need to bring 1,500 rounds of new or factory reloaded remanufactured Full Metal Jacketed (FMJ) ammunition.

Additionally, if you bring one firearm, bring 40 rounds of the factory defensive carry ammunition of your choice for it.

If you bring two firearms, bring 20 rounds of factory defensive carry ammunition of your choice for each firearm (40 total).
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