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Darrell
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Ruger Mark IV

Post by Darrell » Sun Nov 27, 2016 12:55 am

I finally got my hands on the new Ruger Mk IV pistol while at the range tonight. I've read all the reviews and seen all the vids. .22 Plinkster did some interesting vids on the S&W Victory, then the Mk IV, then compared the two. He said good things about both, in the comparison vid he picked the Mk IV on everything but the trigger. I was shown the Mk IV target version tonight, 5.5" bull barrel (the basic gun). I read somewhere that the Target version is twice as accurate as the Hunter, owing to the different front sights; the Hunter has a fiber optic front, the Target has a conventional blade front. I did not shoot the gun, but did get to handle and dry fire it, using a snap cap. A. the gun is heavy. B. the trigger sucks. I was a bit disappointed. Hopefully Volquartsen, etc., will rectify the trigger, if they haven't already. Member price on the Target is $450. MSRP on the Hunter, slick looking stainless with fluted barrel, etc., is around $600 IIRC. Of course the big draw of the Mk IV is the new breakdown, simply push a button on the bottom rear of the receiver and the upper separates from the lower. No doubt Ruger finally came to their senses after S&W offered the single screw takedown on the Victory. The Victory beats the Ruger all to hell pricewise. I guess I'll just keep shooting my Sig Hammerli Trailside (aka Xesse) for the time being.
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Re: Ruger Mark IV

Post by Old Grafton » Sun Nov 27, 2016 4:10 am

And I'll just keep shooting my MkI and my Hi Standards...How much better is "new and improved"?
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Re: Ruger Mark IV

Post by PawPaw » Sun Nov 27, 2016 5:46 am

And I'll just keep shooting my Ruger Mark II. It's as accurate as I expect a pistol to be, and it's very useful for teaching young shooters.
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Re: Ruger Mark IV

Post by Greg » Sun Nov 27, 2016 4:34 pm

Old Grafton wrote:And I'll just keep shooting my MkI and my Hi Standards...How much better is "new and improved"?
If you avoided Ruger .22's in favor of other choices because of certain unfortunate side effects of the Ruger design, this is great news. This really is new and improved, for once no bullshit.

Now if Ruger could improve the takedown and reassembly without taking away from the designs other virtues (the impressive reliability, durability and accuracy potential) then they've got a real winner on their hands.
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Re: Ruger Mark IV

Post by HTRN » Sun Nov 27, 2016 6:40 pm

Old Grafton wrote:And I'll just keep shooting my MkI and my Hi Standards...How much better is "new and improved"?
To be fair, a nice high standard like a supermatic, is going to be a fair bit more used, than a amrk iv new. But then, its not like they wear out, and youre not buying a half dozen of them.

My general advice to anybody looking to buy a rimfire pistol, is to bite the bullet, spend the money, and buy either a HS, or a used Smith 41 (ive heard some bad thinga about the quality of current production), or if youve got money to burn, buy a Hammerli 280.
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Re: Ruger Mark IV

Post by Old Grafton » Mon Nov 28, 2016 1:18 pm

Greg wrote:
Old Grafton wrote:And I'll just keep shooting my MkI and my Hi Standards...How much better is "new and improved"?
If you avoided Ruger .22's in favor of other choices because of certain unfortunate side effects of the Ruger design, this is great news. This really is new and improved, for once no bullshit.

Now if Ruger could improve the takedown and reassembly without taking away from the designs other virtues (the impressive reliability, durability and accuracy potential) then they've got a real winner on their hands.
I understand all that; I'm not AVOIDING newer Ruger pistol Marks. I just don't personally see a need to buy another .22 Ruger pistol as the one I've had all these years works just fine and I have no problems with its design. I won't jam a Model 41 Smith or a HS Victor in a leather holster and go for a walk in rainy weather--that's what my Ruger is for. It was blue-worn when I got it and it's none the worse now. And I think my SIG Mosquito is the bee's knees since I put treble hooks and a silver spinner on it for a deepwater lure.
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Re: Ruger Mark IV

Post by Greg » Mon Nov 28, 2016 3:06 pm

Old Grafton wrote:
Greg wrote:
Old Grafton wrote:And I'll just keep shooting my MkI and my Hi Standards...How much better is "new and improved"?
If you avoided Ruger .22's in favor of other choices because of certain unfortunate side effects of the Ruger design, this is great news. This really is new and improved, for once no bullshit.

Now if Ruger could improve the takedown and reassembly without taking away from the designs other virtues (the impressive reliability, durability and accuracy potential) then they've got a real winner on their hands.
I understand all that; I'm not AVOIDING newer Ruger pistol Marks. I just don't personally see a need to buy another .22 Ruger pistol as the one I've had all these years works just fine and I have no problems with its design. I won't jam a Model 41 Smith or a HS Victor in a leather holster and go for a walk in rainy weather--that's what my Ruger is for. It was blue-worn when I got it and it's none the worse now. And I think my SIG Mosquito is the bee's knees since I put treble hooks and a silver spinner on it for a deepwater lure.
Oh, yeah. You're right of course, it's not 'replace the old Rugers you own' level improved.

But Ruger is always looking to expand the market, and this should help with new customers.
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Re: Ruger Mark IV

Post by Old Grafton » Mon Nov 28, 2016 6:36 pm

Greg wrote:
Oh, yeah. You're right of course, it's not 'replace the old Rugers you own' level improved.

But Ruger is always looking to expand the market, and this should help with new customers.
If the takedown/reassembly's been improved it's a good thing for all new buyers, certainly. I have to say that in my many years of gunsmithing I have put a bunch of 'em back together for folks who didn't have a manual or didn't/wouldn't read it. A bunch of early Hi Standard/Colt Woodsman pistols were buggered similarly. If you have a sidelever-takedown HS and get to improperly taking it apart you can permanently stick the slide to the frame! (Unless you own a good vertical mill and are pretty crafty on setups :D ) But that's another topic.......
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