Range Report - Rossi Ranch Hand (.45 Colt)
Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2016 10:31 am
So, I think I posted this video by Hickok45 in another thread. I thought it was one of the coolest things ever, and given that A) I have a pistol can ordered, and B) work paid a bonus that just about covered the cost of the [strike]rifle[/strike] pistol, I wanted one too. But since my can is for .45 caliber, and I already have a western style revolver in .45 Colt, I wanted mine in .45 because 'Merica, I guess. Bud's gun shop happened to put them on sale (the .45 version only) a few weeks ago for something like $372 or so, which kept the total under $400 even with shipping to Alaska. They already had my gunsmith friend listed as one of their preferred FFLs which made it way too easy.
It took a while for them to ship it, but it was finally delivered Monday and I picked it up tonight. Gunsmith friend kind of looks down his nose at some of the stuff I buy, but even he had to admit that it will actually make some sense as an SBR. He's not terribly keen on threading it, so I may have to take it elsewhere for that. I'd brought a couple boxes of .45 Colt reloads and my range bag, so I was able to hit the range and try it out on my way home.
One of the bad things about the range where I shoot, is at sunset the sun is directly in your eyes, so I could barely see the target at all. The main goal was to function check to make sure I hadn't gotten a lemon prior to e-filing a form on it, so not actually being able to hit anything wasn't the end of the world anyway. The good news is the rifle cycled my LSWC reloads perfectly... It has some sharp edges around the loading gate, but once the rounds were loaded everything worked as it should. Bad news was I couldn't seem to hit much, even towards the end after the sun went down and I could see both the sights and the target. Since it's a handgun, I fired the last couple magazines full one handed in a bullseye stance and seemed to hit the steel plate better that way. Vaguely had an idea that it was shooting to the left.
Got it home and under the light in my shop for a closer examination, and to check a couple things. Right away I found the reason I couldn't seem to hit anything:
Not sure yet if the sight is bad or the dovetail is crooked, but either way, that will do it. I was planning on getting different sights anyway, but that's pretty bad. Not sure yet what kind of rear sights I am going to get, since there are several styles of peeps, although depending on what I choose I may need to have the barrel or the tang drilled and tapped. I might even have it drilled and tapped for a scout mount, and put a basic red dot on it, just forward of the receiver.
Outside diameter of the barrel at the muzzle is about .645", tapering up to .650" or so in front of the barrel band. Which means that getting it threaded 5/8-24 to fit the fixed barrel rear cap I have for the Silencerco Octane 45 can I ordered is probably sketchy at best... It will most likely end up at .578-28 like they thread a .45ACP pistol for. At .645", it's a lot meatier than say a 1911 barrel, so that should work okay I think. Downside is SiCo doesn't make a straight fixed barrel rear cap for that thread size, so I would have to use a regular piston with a fixed barrel spacer. Mostly that seems to mean the cost of the project just went up by however much I have to pay for those parts. The easy button would have been to get the .357 version since there is plenty of meat then to thread 1/2-28. There seems to be a couple different ways to go with these... Some shorten the magazine tube slightly to clear the suppressor, while others use a relatively thin threaded adapter to extend the muzzle far enough to clear the existing magazine tube.
And yeah, I know it is not going to be as quiet as the .38/.357 SBRed Ranch Hand that Hickock used in his video... Firing standard velocity .45, it will easily be subsonic, but .45 just doesn't suppress as well period. I don't necessarily care. I found a forum thread elsewhere where a Silencerco rep said that the combination of an Octane and a .45 Colt in barrels as short as 10" should be fine, as long as "factory type" (aka subsonic) loads are used. The +p loads like Buffalo Bore et al would probably blow out my can sooner or later, although the rifle itself will handle them okay. I don't see this ever supplanting my .450 Marlin as an anti-bear device, so it should be easy to make sure I never have any of the +p ammo around to find its way through my can. My current handload in .45 Colt is a 255 grain LSWC cast from wheel weights, over 8.5 grains of Unique.
One last thing I tried for shits and giggles, is I tracked down a box of .45 Schofield ammo, loaded by Ultramax IIRC. The idea being to see if the shorter cartridge would allow for an extra round of magazine capacity. I didn't have it at the range with me, but I did load up some at home, and found that I could indeed fit a seventh round. But I had a couple of them hang up at the end of the mag tube, which took all manner of percussive adjustment with a dead blow hammer to the butt plate to dislodge. Not sure if that was a feature of the specific brand of ammo, or just because .45 Schofield in general doesn't work through the action. I'm not about to attempt to find out, given that the .45 Colt rounds fed flawlessly.
My overall impression is that the Ranch Hand is a very good deal for the money, IF you are willing to pay an additional $200 to the ATF to be able to put a real stock on it, which Boyd's has for $65. Otherwise, don't bother, or buy the full length rifle version. The action has some sharp edges to it in places, and it could probably stand to be fired for a few hundred rounds to improve overall function, but it works and feeds exactly like it is supposed to (provided the correct ammo is used). The trigger is a lot better than I expected it to be. It breaks on average at about 4 pounds (measured), with only a little creep. The sights... Plan on replacing them. Ranch Hands apparently have a reputation for shooting high anyway, since it seems they might use the same front sight that Rossi puts on the full length rifle version.
More to follow once I get SBR paperwork back (will file soon), and get the threading done. I probably won't have the can for this until end of summer at the earliest.
It took a while for them to ship it, but it was finally delivered Monday and I picked it up tonight. Gunsmith friend kind of looks down his nose at some of the stuff I buy, but even he had to admit that it will actually make some sense as an SBR. He's not terribly keen on threading it, so I may have to take it elsewhere for that. I'd brought a couple boxes of .45 Colt reloads and my range bag, so I was able to hit the range and try it out on my way home.
One of the bad things about the range where I shoot, is at sunset the sun is directly in your eyes, so I could barely see the target at all. The main goal was to function check to make sure I hadn't gotten a lemon prior to e-filing a form on it, so not actually being able to hit anything wasn't the end of the world anyway. The good news is the rifle cycled my LSWC reloads perfectly... It has some sharp edges around the loading gate, but once the rounds were loaded everything worked as it should. Bad news was I couldn't seem to hit much, even towards the end after the sun went down and I could see both the sights and the target. Since it's a handgun, I fired the last couple magazines full one handed in a bullseye stance and seemed to hit the steel plate better that way. Vaguely had an idea that it was shooting to the left.
Got it home and under the light in my shop for a closer examination, and to check a couple things. Right away I found the reason I couldn't seem to hit anything:
Not sure yet if the sight is bad or the dovetail is crooked, but either way, that will do it. I was planning on getting different sights anyway, but that's pretty bad. Not sure yet what kind of rear sights I am going to get, since there are several styles of peeps, although depending on what I choose I may need to have the barrel or the tang drilled and tapped. I might even have it drilled and tapped for a scout mount, and put a basic red dot on it, just forward of the receiver.
Outside diameter of the barrel at the muzzle is about .645", tapering up to .650" or so in front of the barrel band. Which means that getting it threaded 5/8-24 to fit the fixed barrel rear cap I have for the Silencerco Octane 45 can I ordered is probably sketchy at best... It will most likely end up at .578-28 like they thread a .45ACP pistol for. At .645", it's a lot meatier than say a 1911 barrel, so that should work okay I think. Downside is SiCo doesn't make a straight fixed barrel rear cap for that thread size, so I would have to use a regular piston with a fixed barrel spacer. Mostly that seems to mean the cost of the project just went up by however much I have to pay for those parts. The easy button would have been to get the .357 version since there is plenty of meat then to thread 1/2-28. There seems to be a couple different ways to go with these... Some shorten the magazine tube slightly to clear the suppressor, while others use a relatively thin threaded adapter to extend the muzzle far enough to clear the existing magazine tube.
And yeah, I know it is not going to be as quiet as the .38/.357 SBRed Ranch Hand that Hickock used in his video... Firing standard velocity .45, it will easily be subsonic, but .45 just doesn't suppress as well period. I don't necessarily care. I found a forum thread elsewhere where a Silencerco rep said that the combination of an Octane and a .45 Colt in barrels as short as 10" should be fine, as long as "factory type" (aka subsonic) loads are used. The +p loads like Buffalo Bore et al would probably blow out my can sooner or later, although the rifle itself will handle them okay. I don't see this ever supplanting my .450 Marlin as an anti-bear device, so it should be easy to make sure I never have any of the +p ammo around to find its way through my can. My current handload in .45 Colt is a 255 grain LSWC cast from wheel weights, over 8.5 grains of Unique.
One last thing I tried for shits and giggles, is I tracked down a box of .45 Schofield ammo, loaded by Ultramax IIRC. The idea being to see if the shorter cartridge would allow for an extra round of magazine capacity. I didn't have it at the range with me, but I did load up some at home, and found that I could indeed fit a seventh round. But I had a couple of them hang up at the end of the mag tube, which took all manner of percussive adjustment with a dead blow hammer to the butt plate to dislodge. Not sure if that was a feature of the specific brand of ammo, or just because .45 Schofield in general doesn't work through the action. I'm not about to attempt to find out, given that the .45 Colt rounds fed flawlessly.
My overall impression is that the Ranch Hand is a very good deal for the money, IF you are willing to pay an additional $200 to the ATF to be able to put a real stock on it, which Boyd's has for $65. Otherwise, don't bother, or buy the full length rifle version. The action has some sharp edges to it in places, and it could probably stand to be fired for a few hundred rounds to improve overall function, but it works and feeds exactly like it is supposed to (provided the correct ammo is used). The trigger is a lot better than I expected it to be. It breaks on average at about 4 pounds (measured), with only a little creep. The sights... Plan on replacing them. Ranch Hands apparently have a reputation for shooting high anyway, since it seems they might use the same front sight that Rossi puts on the full length rifle version.
More to follow once I get SBR paperwork back (will file soon), and get the threading done. I probably won't have the can for this until end of summer at the earliest.