585 HE -- Cases In Production --

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Re: 585 HE -- Cases In Production --

Post by hubel585 » Sun Oct 18, 2015 1:22 am

Here is picture of 375 Warlord next to our 585 case he made it from.
He is going to make couple later necked down to 416, and 458.
There is another guy working on doing one necked down to 357 wildcat.

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Here is a picture of our poster Biebs on AR, 585 HE, in a MPI stock.
He used a big Enfield action, with a fancy jeweled bolt.

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We found couple other big actions for our 585, that can even feed really
long overall length loaded cases, like 4.5" long or more, if you are
using long pointed bullets for real long range target and hunting work.
One is Lawton 8000 Cheytac action, and the other is Stiller Cheytac actions
made similar, just a newer version. Both actions come in 1.45" diameter
and a 1.60" diameter receivers.

And Vestals Gunsmithing in Virginia does great work, decent prices, has
these actions and will build you fancy 585 HEs. .. He has, working with
another guys mag box setup, setup an extra long, good working, single
stack, center feed, magazine..He has one of our 585 HE reamers on hand,
we have barrels, cases, and reloading dies..Ed

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Re: 585 HE -- Cases In Production --

Post by First Shirt » Sun Oct 18, 2015 1:38 am

I keep telling myself that I don't need one of these, and the recoil would suck, and probably require chiropractic as well as orthodontic work. And I really can't think of anything I'd need one of these for. Probably put my orthopedic guy's kids through Harvard.

But DAMN, that would be cool to have!!!!
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Re: 585 HE -- Cases In Production --

Post by BDK » Sun Oct 18, 2015 5:42 am

I'm sure it'd make a great truck gun.

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Re: 585 HE -- Cases In Production --

Post by Netpackrat » Sun Oct 18, 2015 10:48 am

As in, what caliber for Peterbilt... :lol:
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Re: 585 HE -- Cases In Production --

Post by HTRN » Sun Oct 18, 2015 3:59 pm

The fun part is shooting heavy cast in these things, at moderate velocity. Much cheaper to shoot
than buying jacketed(go price bullets in this size - dollars each), and gives like 90% of the performance.
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Re: 585 HE -- Cases In Production --

Post by hubel585 » Tue Oct 27, 2015 5:45 am

Yes we can get lead .585" Minie bullets for 40-50 cents each.

We get solid base lead ones that are hard alloy and heat treated,

and take high speeds for a buck each, and better than jacketed. ED

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Re: 585 HE -- Cases In Production --

Post by hubel585 » Tue Nov 10, 2015 1:30 am

Here is couple different setups our guys checking for our 585HE
in a long, Lawton Cheytac action. First laminated thumbhole stock.
Second in a Hogue Compstock. The action can mount a scope rail
like shown on the table in 1st picture or a receiver sight in 2nd picture.
The scope rail is a piccatiny type.

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The stocks used were wide ones for REM long actions, just add recoil
block ahead of recoil inleting for the longer action, drill new screw hole
Open the stock forward to original bolt hole for longer cases and mag.

About Enfields for our case, one of my favorites, Some don't like the
sporterizing, welding bottom metal straight. Many think straightening
is a huge job needing special jigs. Easier just use one being added on for a jig
with a bolt, to weld on the straight extension, Do top weld, then cut old
extension that is under off with a thin cutting wheel, then weld bottom.
When we bolt the short piece on the one we are straightening, we grind
the short slant off so the added piece lays on there flat.
The one you cut off can be used as the top extension for the next one!!!
Just keep on building...Ed

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Re: 585 HE -- Cases In Production --

Post by First Shirt » Tue Nov 10, 2015 1:56 am

Y'know, a Scout rail would be pretty cool on something like this. Gives a better sight picture than the irons, and does it without the worry of a "Weatherby eyebrow."
But there ain't many troubles that a man caint fix, with seven hundred dollars and a thirty ought six."
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Re: 585 HE -- Cases In Production --

Post by hubel585 » Wed Dec 09, 2015 8:16 am

Here is picture of another neat sporterizing deal for Enfields.
On those without rear bridge pocket welded up, we just mill down
and shape it so debth of the pocket matches bottom section of
weaver rail and screw or epoxy it in. Shape to drive in hole tight.
Can use as a rear scope ring mount or mount for peep sight
like a compact UTG sight...

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If we have a welded up Enfield rear bridge, then we can use sight
like on this gun a guy is doing. Has a rosewood laminate stock.
He will have it checkered, sanded, with fancy finish.

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Here is a fancy stocked 24ga FH built on a NEF, built by
a guy in Canada. Its straight back, high comb
stock, handles recoil great... Ed

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More about 585 BB short case for lever guns, pistols,AR Uppers,
Work in 71s, later 1886s, Henry steel frames made for 45-70.
One guy is putting one in single shot action set up with
Contender style pistol grip for testing in long rifle barrel,
to simulate pistol recoil..Be very brisk recoil in a case
that holds 110 gr powder under a light Minie bullet
Maybe work in a Rossi Judge with heavy barrel.
Or rolling block rifles and pistols....Ed

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Re: 585 HE -- Cases In Production --

Post by hubel585 » Sat Dec 26, 2015 7:31 am

Here is a picture from the back, of a big Lawton action that
our 585HE fits in nice. Scope rail on there is tapered
for long range shooting.

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Here is what our wildcatter buddy is making from our
585HE brass to see how they look and experiment with.
He is getting reamers, dies, and gun setup first for the 375.


http://www.gunownerstv.com/warlord4.jpg


In some ways big bore shotguns and rifles are sexy.
By looking at the shape of the fire and smoke cloud....
Thanks for picture, to the great NitroExpress Forums site. Ed

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