It seems like it would be easy to fumble while under stress. Why not just a deadbolt lock on each door? Twist the switch and done. Probably cheaper, too.
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The first 3 words in the headline explains the rationale about this. It's not about keeping shooters out of classrooms, it's about keeping guns away from staff that might become proactive against a threat rather than the Bloomberg et al "run or hide and hope he runs out of ammo before he gets around to you" preferred response.Forget Arming Teachers –
Kudos on the EMT for coming up with a way to help fortify a classroom door, but it's not an "either or", a good defense must be backed by some sort of offensive capability to be most effective..
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Yeah, agreed, but this doesn't seem anymore effective than a deadbolt and harder to activate while under stress. That was my point. It is probably a lot more expensive, too.
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Or someone "borrows" few, barricades some doors from the outside and then starts a fire....CByrneIV wrote:illegal in a couple dozen ways, never mind being a stupid fucking idea.
The first time a teacher has to leave the room and a wiseass decides to "barricade" themselves in...
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Let alone Fire Marshall concerns, even if used correctly. An EMT should know that.
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Ratuinale? Not so much. A rationale infers that it's rational and an active shooter has gone way past rationality. There is a school of thought that shows us that an active shooter in a school-house is looking for targets, in fact, any target will generally do. If he's stymied at a door, he'll move on quickly, looking for that easy target because he knows that he's got just minutes before he becomes the target.Ramdy wrote:The first 3 words in the headline explains the rationale about this.
Deadbolts work great. Keep him out of the room for another ten seconds, and you'll probably survive the day.
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That's a distant 57th choice compared to "Shoot the mofo in the face."
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That was my first thought, too.CByrneIV wrote:illegal in a couple dozen ways, never mind being a stupid fucking idea.
The first time a teacher has to leave the room and a wiseass decides to "barricade" themselves in...
A deadbolt with the teacher having a key prevents that. Don't most school doors lock already anyway? Why not just fix it to lock from the inside with out a key and to unlock from the outside with a key?
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push-bar outward opening and automatically closing/locking steel doors, with a lock on the outside.
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Every school I taught at had a key operated dead bolt lock with the handle on the inside of the door. Since I was disarmed while in school, I literally took a wooden rod the old hanging maps were hung on and kept it handy. It was strong enough for a good quarter staff. I also had a S&W knife in my pocket until the principal heard about it and made me stop carrying it.Weetabix wrote:That was my first thought, too.CByrneIV wrote:illegal in a couple dozen ways, never mind being a stupid fucking idea.
The first time a teacher has to leave the room and a wiseass decides to "barricade" themselves in...
A deadbolt with the teacher having a key prevents that. Don't most school doors lock already anyway? Why not just fix it to lock from the inside with out a key and to unlock from the outside with a key?
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