Estwing goes medieval.

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Estwing goes medieval.

Postby Steamforger » Mon Jan 12, 2015 9:47 am

Depends on your preference I guess.

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Both are available at Home Despot for $39.99. I succumbed to temptation and got the Double Bit tonight. This thing is hefty. Mine came pre-nicked on one bit. The American employee who made it still dipped it in the protective goop anyway. A little file time will remove most of it, but no big deal in the long run. It's made to whack things with. There's no doubt whatsoever it will wreak havoc on anything "coming right for you..."

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Postby Netpackrat » Mon Jan 12, 2015 10:14 am

I saw one of the Estwing double bit axes once; it seemed too small to really be useful for anything. Not to mention that putting one of the more dangerous (to the user) woods tools in the hands of greater numbers of "average" users, is probably a bad idea. Good job security for Aesop though.
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Postby PawPaw » Mon Jan 12, 2015 12:49 pm

Axes are so paleo, they haven't changed much in millenia, simple small changes over the years to meet some perceived need, or to take advantage of upgraded material, but basically they're a sharp blade on a stick to increase mechanical advantage.

I own several and I've never been a fan of the double-bit axe, simply because I don't need a cutting edge that close to my back. I've seen professionals use them, and I've known some men who were very good with an ax (and an adze, and a froe, but I digress). Be careful with that thing, you'll cut your leg off.
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Re: Estwing goes medieval.

Postby Netpackrat » Mon Jan 12, 2015 2:27 pm

In the absence of saws, the double-bit axe is supposed to be the shiznit for felling trees. Not just because you can go longer without needing to sharpen, but also the balance, and the way it bites into a tree (sectional density?) makes it more efficient to use. But that's pretty much what it is good for, and the power saw has made it obsolete. It's a bad choice for general chores due to lack of a "safe" edge. And the undersized Estwing version is neither fish nor fowl, since it isn't even a felling axe. To paraphrase Cooper, what is it for? To sell, of course.
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Postby blackeagle603 » Mon Jan 12, 2015 5:05 pm

Yep, cut my teeth on a double bitted axe. Single bit will do but much prefer the swing of a double bit.

Just didn't see single bits in use much at all in our corner of the PNW woods (other than boy scouts and occasionally at firewood piles or campboxes until I was full grown). Thought that shorty from Estwing doesn't look to be too useful other than as a target throwing axe.
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Re: Estwing goes medieval.

Postby JAG2955 » Mon Jan 12, 2015 5:55 pm

I assumed it was a throwing axe. The tomahawk looks pretty neat, and is probably effective...for whatever tomahawks are really used for nowadays.

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Postby Durham68 » Mon Jan 12, 2015 9:02 pm

Good on them for bringing a solid product into an overpriced market. The only others I've seen in that price range have polymer necks/handles.

ETA: And now I don't have to stand in front of the hammers at Home Depot wondering which would make the best weapon in an emergency.
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Postby TheArmsman » Mon Jan 12, 2015 9:56 pm

Durham68 wrote:Good on them for bringing a solid product into an overpriced market. The only others I've seen in that price range have polymer necks/handles.

ETA: And now I don't have to stand in front of the hammers at Home Depot wondering which would make the best weapon in an emergency.



Snort, same here. I am always thinking of alternate uses whenever I go to Lowes/Home Depot/Ace.
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Postby blackeagle603 » Tue Jan 13, 2015 3:37 am

Another 4" on a roofing hatchet handle makes it pretty interesting for social work -- and maybe still reasonably practical for roofing.
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Postby Windy Wilson » Tue Jan 13, 2015 4:36 am

Axes are pretty much 99% a dead art, except for the (very) few people who still move everything via muscle power, and a chain saw needs gasoline.
According to an old article in the Smithsonian magazine the double bitted felling axe was supposed to have two different angles between the planes of the bit.

The old (pre ww2 at least) patent axes are highly collectible and some are said to have two different alloys of steel forge-welded together. A softer steel around the eye and a hard steel at the bit. When people were actually skilled with axes the handles were thinned to the point of being a little whippy. This combination served to cushion the feller's hands. In the hands of an unskilled person like me the handles would break too quickly.

blackeagle603 wrote:Another 4" on a roofing hatchet handle makes it pretty interesting for social work -- and maybe still reasonably practical for roofing.


The 16 oz framing hammers have nice long handles and a straight claw, too. You might find something of similar proportions in 8 or 10 oz., and while carrying a hatchet around is less strange than carrying a full size ax, carrying an ordinary claw hammer might be even less strange. A woman in our neighborhood carried a nine iron.
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Postby blackeagle603 » Tue Jan 13, 2015 6:51 am

16 oz "framing" hammer? Nice for driving upholstery tacks, err, finish nailsb I imagine...

My lightest framing hammer is 28 oz, it has a triangular head, I like for driving nails up against tight spots. My 30 oz gets most of the work though.
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Postby Greg » Tue Jan 13, 2015 3:21 pm

blackeagle603 wrote:16 oz "framing" hammer? Nice for driving upholstery tacks, err, finish nailsb I imagine...

My lightest framing hammer is 28 oz, it has a triangular head, I like for driving nails up against tight spots. My 30 oz gets most of the work though.


I have a 16 oz framing hammer. It's little. Sometimes it's all you need. I do have a larger one as well. Don't like hammers with narrow heads, I've got (my wife would know where, it's technically 'hers') one of those blunt-tipped cone nail drivers for tight spots.

I did once have someone get out of his car and threaten me with a framing hammer, some time ago. I imagine he had it for the same reason I had my 4-d Maglite.
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Postby MarkD » Tue Jan 13, 2015 4:21 pm

I have a cheap (close-out store purchased) claw hammer in my work bug-out bag. I added it when I read about people escaping the World Trade Center by breaking thru a wall to get to the fire exit using window washing tools, but it would also make a dandy weapon (especially if the person behind it "does" crazy well, which I do). Plus, it's cheap enough that if I have to ditch it because it's too heavy to carry it's no big loss.

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Postby blackeagle603 » Tue Jan 13, 2015 4:36 pm

Pretty good idea for a bug out bag actually.

Lot of outlaw biker types carry ball peen hammers. Just a tool, ya know. No weapons here Mr. Police officer sir.



* and a proper size framing hammer will allow you to set a 16d on a single stroke. Or two if you're being cautious with the fingie tips on the first stroke.
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Re: Estwing goes medieval.

Postby Odahi » Wed Jan 14, 2015 1:57 am

There's a fellow on YouTube who goes by the nick "Wranglerstar." From what I understand, he's a wild country firefighter. He and his wife and son live on a homestead in Oregon, and he seems to know quite a bit about axes and tools in general. I first learned about the different angles on the edges of a double bit axe from his channel. I haven't used anything larger than a hatchet in years, but he has a number of very interesting videos about everything from timber framing, to homesteading, to forestry in general. He and his wife used a "misery whip" to cut down a huge Doug Fir. It took them all day, but I was impressed with the way they worked together.
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Postby Netpackrat » Wed Jan 14, 2015 2:05 am

Odahi wrote:He and his wife used a "misery whip" to cut down a huge Doug Fir. It took them all day, but I was impressed with the way they worked together.


My dad had an old one of those. I don't think I ever really forgave him for giving it away... IIRC, the guy he gave it to, painted it, put his house number on it, and hung it over his garage. (once again, we need a puking smiley).
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Postby HTRN » Wed Jan 14, 2015 8:28 pm

blackeagle603 wrote:Pretty good idea for a bug out bag actually.

One of those Stanley "Universal Wrecking tools" is actually a better idea, I think, and about a quarter the price of the nearly identical Stanley "Entry tool". :roll:
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Postby SoupOrMan » Thu Jan 15, 2015 4:57 pm

Estwing: for when you just gotta chop a fool.
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