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Decent books on European Martial Arts?

Postby Goods2010 » Sun Aug 10, 2014 4:21 pm

Due to my dislike of the Far East I've had an interest brewing for Martial Arts from the part of the world my ancestors came from. To narrow things down a bit mostly interested in sword, ax, and spear. Two or one handed use. If there is actually written instruction of mace and war hammer I would thoroughly enjoy it. For some strange reason those two weapons appeal to me for some reason.

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Re: Decent books on European Martial Arts?

Postby BDK » Sun Aug 10, 2014 10:50 pm

Nothing really to add, other than gymnastics came from the training for knights - so, I suspect, it would be far more physically demanding than most martial arts - at least, the gymnasts I've know have been far more physically developed than any martial artists I've met - but that could be a matter of level.

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Re: Decent books on European Martial Arts?

Postby BDK » Sun Aug 10, 2014 11:59 pm

True - but, and admittedly, I've only known Olympic level gymnasts (I'm related to one) - all of the gymnasts I've ever seen are much heavier muscled than most of the martial arts guys.

I also recall reading, albeit only in passing, that Bruce Lee was interested in far more than just traditional martial arts.

I did know one muscled Judo guy, but he was, surprisingly, weak.

I think, essentially, you can't work on rings, bars, horse, etc w.o. developing strength - whereas you can say, be an international level competitor in Tae Kwan Do (no real idea about it, just the folks I know), and be almost devoid of strength.

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Re: Decent books on European Martial Arts?

Postby Goods2010 » Fri Aug 15, 2014 12:23 pm

Much appreciated.

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Postby HTRN » Sat Aug 16, 2014 1:15 pm

CByrneIV wrote:Bruce Lee had so little bodyfat that he had kidney and liver issues, and was ridiculously strong and fit for a little guy.

Lee may have been the strongest man on the planet, going by strength/body weight..
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Re: Decent books on European Martial Arts?

Postby SeekHer » Fri Sep 05, 2014 1:59 am

Rapiers - Training
Clements..... John..... Renaissance Swordsmanship
La Rocca..... Don..... The Academy Of The Sword
Waller..... John.....The Academy Of Dramatic Combat: Sword Fighting
Wilson..... William..... The Art Of Defense: A Practical Guide To The Study Of The Rapier
Training - Modern
Deladrier..... Clovis..... Modern Fencing
Hobbs..... William..... Fight Direction For Stage And Screen
Hutchinson..... Fred..... The Modern Swordsman
L. de Beaumont..... C...... All About Fencing - Foil, Epee, Sabre
Lane..... Richard J...... Swashbuckling: A Step-By-Step Guide To The Art Of Stage Combat And Thea
Duelling
Baldick….. Robert….. The Duel: A History
Keen….. Maurice Hugh….. Chivalry
Kirchner….. Paul….. Dueling With Sword And Pistol
Wilson….. John L.….. The Code Of Honor
Price….. Brian R.….. The Book Of The Tournament
Historical
Burton….. Richard F.….. The Book Of The Sword
Coe….. Michael D.….. Swords And Hilt Weapons
Ffoulkes….. Charles….. Sword, Lance And Bayonet
Hutton….. Alfred….. The Sword And The Centuries
O'Connell & Batchlor….. Robert & John….. An Illustrated History Of Weaponry And Warfare
Wagner….. Edward….. Cut And Thrust Weapons
Weland….. G.….. A Collector's Guide To Swords, Daggers And Cutlasses
Wilkinson….. Frederic….. Edged Weapons
Wilkinson….. Frederic….. Swords And Daggers
Medieval
Davidson….. H. R. Ellis….. The Sword In Anglo Saxon England
Waite….. Adrian….. The Medieval European Sword
Oakeshott….. R. Ewart….. The Sword In The Age Of Chivalry
Thompson….. Logan, Major….. The Armoured Knight Of 1200 AD (1975 Edition)
Training - Scot
Rector….. Mark….. Highland Swordsmanship
Thompson & Pastore….. Christopher & Michael D…… Highland Knife Fighting With The Dirk And Sgian
Waterer John W. Leather and the Warrior from the time of the ancient Greeks to World War Il (1981 Edition)
Training
Brown….. Terry….. English Martial Arts
Clements….. John….. Medieval Swordsmanship
Davies….. Jonathan….. Tudor Swords And Swordsmanship
Lindholm….. David….. Sigmund Ringneck's Knightly Art Of The Longsword
Sanchez….. John….. Slash And Thrust
Talhoffer….. Hans….. Medieval Combat translated by Mark Rector, Intro by John Clements
Wagner….. Paul….. Master Of Defense: The Works Of George Silver
Zabinski….. Grzegorz….. Codex Wallerstein: A Medieval Fighting Book
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Postby BDK » Fri Sep 05, 2014 2:39 pm

SeekHer, I suspect you must have one heck of a library...

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Postby HTRN » Fri Sep 05, 2014 3:46 pm

Well, he's got to do something when it's snowing, and this is Canadia we're talking about.. :lol:
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Re: Decent books on European Martial Arts?

Postby Goods2010 » Tue May 12, 2015 11:11 pm

Enrolled in a new Historical European Martial Arts school that opened in not far from the house. Love it.

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Re: Decent books on European Martial Arts?

Postby Greg » Tue May 12, 2015 11:20 pm

Goods2010 wrote:Enrolled in a new Historical European Martial Arts school that opened in not far from the house. Love it.


I've been seeing references to HEMA online lately, and it seems very appealing.
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Postby rightisright » Wed May 13, 2015 1:49 am

Do they offer a defense against The Knights who say "Ni"???

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Postby Greg » Wed May 13, 2015 12:00 pm

rightisright wrote:Do they offer a defense against The Knights who say "Ni"???


I expect you'll appreciate this one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jETLCm7k3sU

And then this one is even better (weirder), and is kind of set up by the first one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SY4X8lh_TM0
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Re: Decent books on European Martial Arts?

Postby Netpackrat » Wed May 13, 2015 12:21 pm

rightisright wrote:Do they offer a defense against The Knights who say "Ni"???


It is always good to defend yourself from the Knights of Ni.
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Re: Decent books on European Martial Arts?

Postby slowpoke » Wed May 13, 2015 3:01 pm

Try looking for something on Savate or Canne. Bit more modern.
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Re: Decent books on European Martial Arts?

Postby D5CAV » Thu May 14, 2015 4:03 am

A few references were dug up on this thread

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Re: Decent books on European Martial Arts?

Postby BDK » Thu May 14, 2015 4:26 am

Greg wrote:
rightisright wrote:Do they offer a defense against The Knights who say "Ni"???

I expect you'll appreciate this one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jETLCm7k3sU


So, if we assume someone doesn't write insane techniques into a fighting manual - and given that a true threaded pommel doesn't seem to be in the archeological record - then what's being discussed isn't a conventional pommel... And, that an armored knight was expected to be intimidated by it would imply that there may be something in the pommel - even fine dust might be useful, but so would other substances.

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Re: Decent books on European Martial Arts?

Postby Greg » Fri May 15, 2015 4:08 pm

BDK wrote:
Greg wrote:
rightisright wrote:Do they offer a defense against The Knights who say "Ni"???

I expect you'll appreciate this one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jETLCm7k3sU


So, if we assume someone doesn't write insane techniques into a fighting manual - and given that a true threaded pommel doesn't seem to be in the archeological record - then what's being discussed isn't a conventional pommel... And, that an armored knight was expected to be intimidated by it would imply that there may be something in the pommel - even fine dust might be useful, but so would other substances.


I wasn't really trying to figure out the mystery. I fairly assumed it was non-serious as I didn't think there *was* anything other than a peened pommel at that point, but I know I could easily be mistaken.

I posted both videos purely for the puerile and somewhat absurd humor, thinking that it would be right up the alley of someone who entered the thread with a Monty Python reference.

And "end him rightly" is pretty catchy. ;)
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Re: Decent books on European Martial Arts?

Postby rightisright » Fri May 15, 2015 9:38 pm

Greg wrote:
BDK wrote:
Greg wrote:
rightisright wrote:Do they offer a defense against The Knights who say "Ni"???

I expect you'll appreciate this one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jETLCm7k3sU


So, if we assume someone doesn't write insane techniques into a fighting manual - and given that a true threaded pommel doesn't seem to be in the archeological record - then what's being discussed isn't a conventional pommel... And, that an armored knight was expected to be intimidated by it would imply that there may be something in the pommel - even fine dust might be useful, but so would other substances.


I wasn't really trying to figure out the mystery. I fairly assumed it was non-serious as I didn't think there *was* anything other than a peened pommel at that point, but I know I could easily be mistaken.

I posted both videos purely for the puerile and somewhat absurd humor, thinking that it would be right up the alley of someone who entered the thread with a Monty Python reference.

And "end him rightly" is pretty catchy. ;)


Puerile and absurd? Guilty as charged. :lol:

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Re: Decent books on European Martial Arts?

Postby Greg » Sat May 16, 2015 3:10 am

rightisright wrote:
Greg wrote:
And "end him rightly" is pretty catchy. ;)


Puerile and absurd? Guilty as charged. :lol:


I hope you enjoyed the videos. He does more serious stuff, he is indeed into weapons and is a student of historical European martial arts, but I like the humor too.
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Re: Decent books on European Martial Arts?

Postby Netpackrat » Sat May 16, 2015 3:21 am

Netpackrat wrote:
rightisright wrote:Do they offer a defense against The Knights who say "Ni"???


It is always good to defend yourself from the Knights of Ni.


I guess it was too subtle.
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Re: Decent books on European Martial Arts?

Postby toad » Sun May 17, 2015 11:02 pm

Maybe one should use the old "hidden rabbit trick" that is throw a rabbit that has a pepper suppository installed at the opponent:
Screaming "Hare, Hare, Choke, Choke, Rama, Rama, Ding Dong!"
or was it:
"Hare, Hare, Krishna, Krishna, Rama, Rama, Ding Dong." :?:


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