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Replacement EDC Pocketknife

Postby MarkD » Wed Mar 26, 2014 7:40 pm

The Kershaw Storm II knife that has been my daily companion for several years is starting to get worn, so it's time to replace it. Here it is, for comparison purposes:

http://www.cabelas.com/product/Kershaw-Storm-II-Knife/1224605.uts

Unfortunately, it's been discontinued, so since I like this one so much I'm looking for something similar, and was hoping for a recommendation.

Given where I live and work (NJ and NYC respectively), and my preferences, I have a few requirements:

1) About a 3" blade (the Storm as 3.25, which I find about perfect), non-serrated (don't like 'em) blade.

2) One-handed opening via thumb-stud/flip, but....

3) NO assisted opening. Don't need some over-zealous cop hauling me in for a "switchblade". Yeah, I know, there's a difference, I'd rather not chance it.

4) Blade locks open (and yes, I know what that entails in NYC, which brings me to)

5) Max price about $50, something I won't feel too bad about if I have to toss it.

6) A pocket clip is good to have, when I clip it I have it right-side point down, inside the pocket.

My knives are carried a lot and used a little, so corrosion resistance is fairly important while blade quality is secondary. Thin and light-weight is important too, again, carried a lot and used a little.

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Re: Replacement EDC Pocketknife

Postby rightisright » Wed Mar 26, 2014 8:31 pm

There are a few blemished Storm IIs on eBay right now.

Linky: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Kershaw-1475-St ... 417d95773d

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Re: Replacement EDC Pocketknife

Postby Durham68 » Wed Mar 26, 2014 9:43 pm

I didn't give the Kershaw Skyline a second look until a friend of mine showed me his. I like it a lot for the price. It's a completely different blade profile but it fits your specs if you don't mind a flipper (unassisted).

I really liked the Spyderco Endura until I mistook it for a pry-bar. The Spyderco Tenacious may fit your specs and price range a little more closely.
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Re: Replacement EDC Pocketknife

Postby Lokidude » Thu Mar 27, 2014 2:21 am

NYC has an issue with locking folders? Hell, any knife I consider a serious working blade must be a locker. Non-locking knives get you cut. Maroons.
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Re: Replacement EDC Pocketknife

Postby First Shirt » Thu Mar 27, 2014 2:28 am

If the blade doesn't lock, then it's a penknife, suitable only for scribes to use to sharpen quills. A working knife is either a fixed blade, or a locking folder.
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Re: Replacement EDC Pocketknife

Postby 308Mike » Thu Mar 27, 2014 3:36 am

First Shirt wrote:If the blade doesn't lock, then it's a penknife, suitable only for scribes to use to sharpen quills. A working knife is either a fixed blade, or a locking folder.

Which is why is scares the shiite out of NYFC politicos, especially those who have EVER watched West Side Story. Knives scare the Holy Crap out of them!!! They're like the current British, who think trying to control them among the law-abiding will simply make EVERYTHING ALL BETTER!!!

We've controlled guns, and now they're using knives (like they never noticed before), so now they feel they need to try and control sharp objects. WHAT A BUNCH OF MORONS!!! But that's NYFC for ya'!!!!
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Re: Replacement EDC Pocketknife

Postby Greg » Thu Mar 27, 2014 3:45 am

Durham68 wrote:I didn't give the Kershaw Skyline a second look until a friend of mine showed me his. I like it a lot for the price. It's a completely different blade profile but it fits your specs if you don't mind a flipper (unassisted).

I really liked the Spyderco Endura until I mistook it for a pry-bar. The Spyderco Tenacious may fit your specs and price range a little more closely.


Kershaw makes a lot of really nice, inexpensive EDC-type knives. Be careful when you look though because many of their knives are assisted opening (they have their own assisted opening mechanism that they're pretty proud of). For non-assisted designs, ones that I've found appealing are the Skyline (seconded) and the OD-1 and OD-2 (similar designs, different sizes).

Personally I tend to carry a Blackout or Leek but those are both assisted opening.
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Re: Replacement EDC Pocketknife

Postby JKosprey » Thu Mar 27, 2014 4:46 am

First Shirt wrote:If the blade doesn't lock, then it's a penknife, suitable only for scribes to use to sharpen quills. A working knife is either a fixed blade, or a locking folder.


I'm a fixed blade fan...and a lock makes me more comfortable with folders....BUT....I've used non-locking leatherman and swiss-army knives to great effect, on pretty much any task I've set them to. Don't be an idiot, and don't lose situational awareness, and you'll do just fine with a non-locking folder as long as you don't use it as a weapon.

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Re: Replacement EDC Pocketknife

Postby First Shirt » Thu Mar 27, 2014 4:51 am

JKosprey wrote:I'm a fixed blade fan...and a lock makes me more comfortable with folders....BUT....I've used non-locking leatherman and swiss-army knives to great effect, on pretty much any task I've set them to. Don't be an idiot, and don't lose situational awareness, and you'll do just fine with a non-locking folder as long as you don't use it as a weapon.


Gerber makes a great multi-tool gadget. But all the blades lock (even the screwdrivers), which makes it easier to use. Granted, it's not something I'd want to take into a knife fight, but it fills a multitude of purposes, at a really reasonable price.
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Re: Replacement EDC Pocketknife

Postby HTRN » Thu Mar 27, 2014 7:34 am

Lokidude wrote:NYC has an issue with locking folders?

The specific issue is with the thumb stud on most blades today, because using an extremely skewed interpretation of the cities switchblade law, they've taken to prosecuting everyday schmoes, who promptly pleabargain down, thus raising the DAs win/loss record.
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Re: Replacement EDC Pocketknife

Postby Aglifter » Thu Mar 27, 2014 12:51 pm

I issue BMW griptillians as work knives - they are a good design. (They seem to be a copy of my BM Leopard.

A mini version of one of those might work.

Or, say a case lock back if you do not want the thumb stud etc
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Re: Replacement EDC Pocketknife

Postby MarkD » Thu Mar 27, 2014 1:28 pm

HTRN wrote:
Lokidude wrote:NYC has an issue with locking folders?

The specific issue is with the thumb stud on most blades today, because using an extremely skewed interpretation of the cities switchblade law, they've taken to prosecuting everyday schmoes, who promptly pleabargain down, thus raising the DAs win/loss record.


I actually thought it was the lock that was the issue, because of the way the law is worded. I've heard of people being prosecuted for carrying Swiss Army knives if the main blade locked.

I believe there's also a "field test" for a (also illegal) gravity knife, the cop will hold it by the blade and flick it, if it opens it's illegal. some flick harder than others, and damn near any knife will open if flicked hard enough.

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Re: Replacement EDC Pocketknife

Postby Aglifter » Thu Mar 27, 2014 1:58 pm

About the only locking knife which cannot be flicked open, TMK is a liner lock. The back spring locks will fall open if you release the lock - you will, certainly, win on appeal - maybe at trial

Otherwise... NYPD may have changed some, but not nearly enough.
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Re: Replacement EDC Pocketknife

Postby MarkD » Thu Mar 27, 2014 2:21 pm

While checking out some of the recommendations here, I came across this.

Anyone familiar with Ontario Knives?

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Re: Replacement EDC Pocketknife

Postby NVGdude » Fri Mar 28, 2014 3:15 am

Kershaw Skyline.

Really like them. I like my Leek better but that's because it's assisted opening.

If you don't mine a ChiCom knife then a Gerber EVO. Here is a write-up I did a while back:

http://www.thetruthaboutknives.com/2013 ... dable-edc/

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Postby HTRN » Fri Mar 28, 2014 6:39 am

MarkD wrote:I believe there's also a "field test" for a (also illegal) gravity knife, the cop will hold it by the blade and flick it, if it opens it's illegal. some flick harder than others, and damn near any knife will open if flicked hard enough.


Yup. The law states something about centrifugal force.. But if they're using the thumbstud, basically can be done with any current production knife if the user is skilled enough.
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Re: Replacement EDC Pocketknife

Postby MarkD » Fri Mar 28, 2014 2:32 pm

Hmmmm, the Skyline DOES look nice, the price is right, and given how happy I've been with my Kershaw these last few years....

At first Durham68 referred to it as a "flipper" I wasn't sure, seemed like a gravity-knife (verboten in NYFC), but looking at the video on Amazon it's quite similar to how I open my Storm.

I really, REALLY hate having to think of such things when shopping for something as pedestrian as a pocket knife. The ability to open a knife one-handed has served me well many times (including the time, while fishing, when I latched onto a snapping turtle whose shell was probably close to three FEET across, decided he could have the hook). While I probably wouldn't carry a switchblade for pocket carry for fear of it opening unintentionally in my pocket, assisted opening looks handy. I just don't need the potential legal hassle over it.

I keep saying, someday I'm going to move to America. At that time I'm buying an M1 Carbine, an M14 and an AR-15, all with bayonet lugs, flash hiders and standard magazines, along with a drawer full of automatic knives just because.

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Re: Replacement EDC Pocketknife

Postby Durham68 » Fri Mar 28, 2014 4:24 pm

MarkD wrote:Hmmmm, the Skyline DOES look nice, the price is right, and given how happy I've been with my Kershaw these last few years....

At first Durham68 referred to it as a "flipper" I wasn't sure, seemed like a gravity-knife (verboten in NYFC), but looking at the video on Amazon it's quite similar to how I open my Storm.


You could always tighten down the screw to keep it from opening easily enough to get you in trouble.
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Re: Replacement EDC Pocketknife

Postby skb12172 » Sat Mar 29, 2014 10:59 pm

I am very happy with my Sodbuster and Sodbuster Jr, but still ordered a Spyderco Endura because, Owen Z. Pitt. :lol:

I got mine in purple. It arrived today. I love it, but damn…IT'S BIG!!! I mean, as in considerably larger than my full-sized Sodbuster, big. Still, it will go in the rotation.

What's that sound? Do you hear it??? Oh yes, the siren song of it's little sister, the Spyderco Delica. I'll be ordering one of those too very soon, I'm sure.



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Re: Replacement EDC Pocketknife

Postby Greg » Sun Mar 30, 2014 2:47 am

Some year I am either going to go myself, or find a proxy to go for me, to the Kershaw factory sale.

Once a year the Kershaw factory sells off blemished and irregular items, at deep discounts. THAT is dangerous. I'd load up a wheelbarrow. ;)
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Re: Replacement EDC Pocketknife

Postby skb12172 » Sun Mar 30, 2014 2:52 am

Where is the Kershaw factory located? :D
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skb12172 wrote:Where is the Kershaw factory located? :D


Oregon, iirc.
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Best friend from Childhood lives in Klackamas, just outside of Portland. I might be able to hook us up.
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Postby NVGdude » Sun Mar 30, 2014 4:13 am

Greg wrote:Some year I am either going to go myself, or find a proxy to go for me, to the Kershaw factory sale.

Once a year the Kershaw factory sells off blemished and irregular items, at deep discounts. THAT is dangerous. I'd load up a wheelbarrow. ;)


If you can't make it wait a week. Lots of those blems show up on e-bay. Folks go to the blem sale, stock up and then flip them on the bay for what is still substantially less than new.

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Re: Replacement EDC Pocketknife

Postby MarkD » Fri Apr 04, 2014 3:33 pm

I just pulled the trigger on a Kershaw Skyline, a Kershaw Chill (similar to the skyline but with finer blade, good when when I'm travelling light) and a pocket sharpener for $68 and change.

I'll do reviews when I get them.

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Postby Cybrludite » Sat Apr 05, 2014 8:16 pm

I like my Chill. Handy for when my Blur would freak people out. :lol: Also it has a much more sturdy point than my Leeks.
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Re: Replacement EDC Pocketknife

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Why would the Blur freak people out?
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skb12172 wrote:Why would the Blur freak people out?


Is knife. Is scare idiots.
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Re: Replacement EDC Pocketknife

Postby rightisright » Sun Apr 06, 2014 12:16 am

I carry my Blur drop point a lot. But since I live in Soccer Mom Central, NJ, I tend to open it rather discretely.

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Re: Replacement EDC Pocketknife

Postby randy » Sun Apr 06, 2014 3:03 am

Greg wrote:
skb12172 wrote:Why would the Blur freak people out?


Is knife. Is scare idiots.


Yeah, I almost had one of my contractors fired on time because he used a Swiss Army Knife to block a door from locking shut (forgot his badge*) while he took a smoke break. He didn't even deploy any of the blades. Some ninny saw that and tried to have him fired for violating corporate regs by having a weapon on premises.

Fortunately saner heads prevailed before I had to get involved. I was going to produce the box cutter I was issued by the company when I worked in the print center in the same building and was required to have with me.

(*I did have a little talk with him about circumventing security locks and keeping his badge with him at all times)
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Re: Replacement EDC Pocketknife

Postby skb12172 » Sun Apr 06, 2014 4:03 am

I get it, but why is the Blur scary and the Chill isn't?
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Postby MarkD » Sun Apr 06, 2014 1:47 pm

skb12172 wrote:I get it, but why is the Blur scary and the Chill isn't?


The Blur is assisted opening. The Chill is manual.

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Re: Replacement EDC Pocketknife

Postby Greg » Sun Apr 06, 2014 5:00 pm

randy wrote:(*I did have a little talk with him about circumventing security locks and keeping his badge with him at all times)


Screw the knife part, but circumventing security on doors is bad. Retraining for first offense, buh-bye for second.

Even in NJ knife acceptance varies. Suburbs and rural areas, no problem. Go to say a Somerset Patriots game and half the adult men will have visible knife pocket clips.

Urban areas you might as well be in NYC.
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Postby skb12172 » Sun Apr 06, 2014 7:00 pm

Which makes me wonder where this Wussmania came from? How many mass stabbings have there been with pocket knives? :roll:
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Postby 308Mike » Sun Apr 06, 2014 7:20 pm

skb12172 wrote:Which makes me wonder where this Wussmania came from? How many mass stabbings have there been with pocket knives? :roll:

Only needed the one - West Side Story, to freak them out for multiple generations!!
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Re: Replacement EDC Pocketknife

Postby Greg » Sun Apr 06, 2014 7:21 pm

skb12172 wrote:Which makes me wonder where this Wussmania came from? How many mass stabbings have there been with pocket knives? :roll:


When you have enough people with overactive imaginations, an acquired sense of helplessness (it's what they were taught) and generally neurotic dispositions.... we get this kind of panic. Other places, when you have neurotic people with overactive imaginations who feel they are not in control of their world, you get other kinds of panic.

When people are sane, confident, generally self-reliant and feeling secure with their position in the world... you don't get panics.
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Postby Termite » Mon Apr 07, 2014 3:21 am

Greg wrote:Other places, when you have neurotic people with overactive imaginations who feel they are not in control of their world, you get other kinds of panic. When people are sane, confident, generally self-reliant and feeling secure with their position in the world... you don't get panics.

So what you are saying is that the 10 most populated U.S. urban areas need to be "pocket nuked". Incidentally, they are also Dem-Cong strong holds.

Gee, a "two-for-one, blue-plate-special".......... :lol:
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Re: Replacement EDC Pocketknife

Postby Greg » Mon Apr 07, 2014 3:46 am

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Greg wrote:Other places, when you have neurotic people with overactive imaginations who feel they are not in control of their world, you get other kinds of panic. When people are sane, confident, generally self-reliant and feeling secure with their position in the world... you don't get panics.

So what you are saying is that the 10 most populated U.S. urban areas need to be "pocket nuked". Incidentally, they are also Dem-Cong strong holds.

Gee, a "two-for-one, blue-plate-special".......... :lol:


A large part of the world, actually. Mass hysteria seems to be a normal part of the human condition, that we had mostly left behind.
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Re: Replacement EDC Pocketknife

Postby MarkD » Mon Apr 07, 2014 2:14 pm

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skb12172 wrote:Which makes me wonder where this Wussmania came from? How many mass stabbings have there been with pocket knives? :roll:


When you have enough people with overactive imaginations, an acquired sense of helplessness (it's what they were taught) and generally neurotic dispositions.... we get this kind of panic. Other places, when you have neurotic people with overactive imaginations who feel they are not in control of their world, you get other kinds of panic.

When people are sane, confident, generally self-reliant and feeling secure with their position in the world... you don't get panics.


I nearly made my former manager befoul herself one day. I was replacing the water bottle on the cooler and the part on the cap that's supposed to tear when you pull the tab, didn't. So I pulled out my mini-multi-tool from the change-pocket of my jeans, opened the blade, and cut it. This tool has a blade that's 1.5" long. She told me to leave it at home, we have a "no weapons" policy.

Yeah, right. I was just careful never to use it around her again, and to certainly NEVER let her know about the Storm.

That's what some people don't get. The properly ordered, educated, and imaginative MIND is a weapon. Someone bent on mayhem in my office would find plenty of available tools to use without violating the "no weapons policy".

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Re: Replacement EDC Pocketknife

Postby Greg » Mon Apr 07, 2014 3:00 pm

MarkD wrote:I nearly made my former manager befoul herself one day. I was replacing the water bottle on the cooler and the part on the cap that's supposed to tear when you pull the tab, didn't. So I pulled out my mini-multi-tool from the change-pocket of my jeans, opened the blade, and cut it. This tool has a blade that's 1.5" long. She told me to leave it at home, we have a "no weapons" policy.


I wonder how she opens her mail. Or cooks.

Every office I've ever worked in, plastic razor blade-based utility knives were standard issue, stocked with the office supplies just like pens.
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Re: Replacement EDC Pocketknife

Postby MarkD » Mon Apr 07, 2014 3:04 pm

I wonder how she opens her mail.


She clicks the "Inbox" icon.

Or cooks.


She calls for take-out.

Every office I've ever worked in, plastic razor blade-based utility knives were standard issue, stocked with the office supplies just like pens.


Can't say I've ever seen that, but scissors were standard issue (we have a pair around somewhere, probably locked up in the safe with the petty cash). When I did some amount of actual paper cut-and-paste I used to keep an Xacto knife in my drawer.

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Re: Replacement EDC Pocketknife

Postby Cybrludite » Mon Apr 07, 2014 6:07 pm

skb12172 wrote:I get it, but why is the Blur scary and the Chill isn't?

The Chill looks like grandpa's pocket knife, just with more modern materials. (Ignoring for the moment that micarta has been around for over a century... :roll: ) The Blur, well, doesn't.
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