Army selects Sig handgun

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Re: Army selects Sig handgun

Post by Vonz90 » Wed Jan 25, 2017 3:48 am

Other than military police types, pistols just are not actually used much at all. Who cares. ;)

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Re: Army selects Sig handgun

Post by Jericho941 » Wed Jan 25, 2017 4:43 am

Greg wrote:Does your uniform fit? ;)
Heh. Not so much anymore; seems some part of me decided my DD214 was a License to Fat.

But uniforms are actually sold to the military member, not issued. They might call it Clothing Issue, but if a uniform item is actually issued to you after basic, you are expected to know your sizes in advance and if you're wrong, on your own head be it.

This comparison would really only apply if not only the military did the same thing by "issuing" weapons to personnel, deducting the price out of their paycheck, and letting them modify them as needed (gunsmithing vs. tailoring in this case) and God help you if you're spec'd wrong. On the plus side: You get to keep it when you leave if you want.

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Re: Army selects Sig handgun

Post by Netpackrat » Wed Jan 25, 2017 5:10 am

Jericho941 wrote:This comparison would really only apply if not only the military did the same thing by "issuing" weapons to personnel, deducting the price out of their paycheck, and letting them modify them as needed (gunsmithing vs. tailoring in this case) and God help you if you're spec'd wrong. On the plus side: You get to keep it when you leave if you want.
There's one hell of a recruiting bonus in there, and it wouldn't cost the government a penny. Join the military, and upon your honorable discharge, you leave with a fully transferable machine gun.
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Re: Army selects Sig handgun

Post by Old Grafton » Wed Jan 25, 2017 5:28 am

You mean sort of like Switzerland, that hotbed of crime and urban violence??!!?? :lol:
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Re: Army selects Sig handgun

Post by Jericho941 » Wed Jan 25, 2017 6:58 am

Netpackrat wrote:
Jericho941 wrote:This comparison would really only apply if not only the military did the same thing by "issuing" weapons to personnel, deducting the price out of their paycheck, and letting them modify them as needed (gunsmithing vs. tailoring in this case) and God help you if you're spec'd wrong. On the plus side: You get to keep it when you leave if you want.
There's one hell of a recruiting bonus in there, and it wouldn't cost the government a penny. Join the military, and upon your honorable discharge, you leave with a fully transferable machine gun.
Yep. What it would cost the military, though, is centralized control, and it is a government bureaucracy, after all. As far as the military is concerned, any weapon not under direct, serialized control is in the hands of the enemy. That mentality applies to most things; if a tool hasn't been turned in by the end of shift, it's in an intake. And so on.

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Re: Army selects Sig handgun

Post by Netpackrat » Wed Jan 25, 2017 8:11 am

Jericho941 wrote:
Netpackrat wrote:
Jericho941 wrote:This comparison would really only apply if not only the military did the same thing by "issuing" weapons to personnel, deducting the price out of their paycheck, and letting them modify them as needed (gunsmithing vs. tailoring in this case) and God help you if you're spec'd wrong. On the plus side: You get to keep it when you leave if you want.
There's one hell of a recruiting bonus in there, and it wouldn't cost the government a penny. Join the military, and upon your honorable discharge, you leave with a fully transferable machine gun.
Yep. What it would cost the military, though, is centralized control, and it is a government bureaucracy, after all. As far as the military is concerned, any weapon not under direct, serialized control is in the hands of the enemy. That mentality applies to most things; if a tool hasn't been turned in by the end of shift, it's in an intake. And so on.
That's the beauty of it... All the weapons would be under that sort of control until the service member is discharged. Then it becomes ATF's problem.
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Re: Army selects Sig handgun

Post by Denis » Wed Jan 25, 2017 8:47 am

First Shirt wrote:Worst scores I ever turned in on .mil handguns was with the Beretta.
I couldn't hit a barn - from the inside - with a Beretta 92. They just don't fit my hands. I know other people who love them and get great results.

On a happier note, one of my students was fussing about his Ruger Mark II sights last night, and asked me to try it and see if I thought the sights were misadjusted. I took one shot, put it in the X-ring, and gave it back to him with an exhortation to more practice... I can hit stuff, just not with a Beretta!

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Re: Army selects Sig handgun

Post by Steamforger » Wed Jan 25, 2017 12:16 pm

The per unit cost is rumored to be $207.

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Re: Army selects Sig handgun

Post by Greg » Wed Jan 25, 2017 1:47 pm

Netpackrat wrote:
Jericho941 wrote:This comparison would really only apply if not only the military did the same thing by "issuing" weapons to personnel, deducting the price out of their paycheck, and letting them modify them as needed (gunsmithing vs. tailoring in this case) and God help you if you're spec'd wrong. On the plus side: You get to keep it when you leave if you want.
There's one hell of a recruiting bonus in there, and it wouldn't cost the government a penny. Join the military, and upon your honorable discharge, you leave with a fully transferable machine gun.
I've had that thought before.
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Re: Army selects Sig handgun

Post by randy » Wed Jan 25, 2017 9:59 pm

I'd be happy if they'd just let service members buy them off the .mil contract for contract price.

The AF had a such a program in the 80's where you could buy laptops from the AF contract for the same price. At the time I could not find a reason to spend that much money on such a thing. What use would it have? I wasted it on guns, ammo and beer instead.
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