Seeking info on WWII flare useage

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Seeking info on WWII flare useage

Post by JustinR » Wed Oct 05, 2016 9:30 pm

Today at the antique store in Ft. Wayne, IN, I picked up a 37mm MK IV signal cartridge (expended) with an August 1943 manufacture date. As far as I can figure out, it's a yellow tracer with red and yellow starburst round according to the red and yellow rings on the tube.

My google-fu is failing. Does anyone know or have a US manual that details WWII flare useage for communication? I know that the M8 flare gun had lugs to lock into a port in the aircraft hull (sextant port maybe?) for communicating things like wounded crew to airfield personnel before landing. Can anyone point me in the right direction?
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Re: Seeking info on WWII flare useage

Post by randy » Wed Oct 05, 2016 11:38 pm

I know that in some cases, the colors of a flare cluster were used as recognition codes, particularly with ships. You had a specific color combination to put up, sometimes changing daily, other times for a one time use.

Some discussion on flare usage by the 8th AF here

Flares were also sometimes used to signal take off (such as when all aircraft of a bomber wing were rev'ed up and waiting for the go signal), or to signal a scramble at forward deployed fighter bases. Kept radio traffic to a minimum and denied German SIGINT troops as much of a warning as to what was coming as possible.

Also used by land forces as a prearranged signal for attack, begin artillery barrage, or cease artillery fire as the troops were ready to make their final assault. Could also be a signal that a particular objective had been achieved.
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Re: Seeking info on WWII flare useage

Post by JustinR » Thu Oct 06, 2016 1:18 am

Thanks Randy. I did see another reference to the flare codes/meaning changing daily, so that would make more sense as to why I didn't find anything concrete in my search. The Gun Counter comes through again. :)
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Re: Seeking info on WWII flare useage

Post by Steamforger » Thu Oct 06, 2016 2:23 am

I haven't done it yet but see if you can google up a WWII-ish "GMG3&2."

I can check my WW II editions of the Bluejacket's Manual at work tomorrow.

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Re: Seeking info on WWII flare useage

Post by JustinR » Thu Oct 06, 2016 2:52 pm

Steamforger wrote:I haven't done it yet but see if you can google up a WWII-ish "GMG3&2."

I can check my WW II editions of the Bluejacket's Manual at work tomorrow.
That was interesting reading! I tried to find some of the other manuals referenced, and was only partially successful. Still haven't found a chart or guide "if X happens, you shoot Y colored flare."
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Re: Seeking info on WWII flare useage

Post by Steamforger » Thu Oct 06, 2016 3:16 pm

I also have an AO 3&2 here somewhere. I'll take a look when I have a moment.

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Post by JustinR » Sun Oct 09, 2016 11:52 pm

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Re: Seeking info on WWII flare useage

Post by Steamforger » Mon Oct 10, 2016 11:12 pm

The best I can come up with is it is a 2 star (Red, Amber) flare with a amber tracer.

I did find a list of color combinations buried in a forum somewhere, but can't seem to reproduce those exact results. Attached is a pic of similar.
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Post by toad » Fri Mar 10, 2017 7:11 am

Flares from aircraft were also used for dead recogining . The navigator would fire a flare and watch it as it fell to get wind drift estimates. Also some would float for a while and he could get a differential between the Aircraft and the water. These were usually single color flares though. Battle field illumination with parachute flares continued.
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Re: Seeking info on WWII flare useage

Post by 308Mike » Sun Mar 12, 2017 9:30 pm

The next time I run across my NATOPS manual for the CH-46, I'll try to remember to take a look inside to see if it has anything on the use of flares.
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