Airforce to do away with the rifle detail at funerals

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Airforce to do away with the rifle detail at funerals

Postby Wrenchbender1 » Sat Dec 26, 2015 10:02 am

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Re: Airforce to do away with the rifle detail at funerals

Postby PawPaw » Sat Dec 26, 2015 10:48 am

If it's true, it's a damned shame.
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Postby Netpackrat » Sat Dec 26, 2015 11:09 am

The comments seem to tell the whole story better than the article does.
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Re: Airforce to do away with the rifle detail at funerals

Postby Cobar » Sat Dec 26, 2015 2:57 pm

I always thought it was the 3 volleys mentioned in the comments. When my wife's uncle passed in 2003 IIRC the Legion did the honors and it was 3 rifles, 3 volleys.

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Postby g-man » Sat Dec 26, 2015 3:18 pm

Yet another log on the funeral pyre of AF leadership.
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Postby Aesop » Sat Dec 26, 2015 6:12 pm

g-man wrote:Yet another log on the funeral pyre of AF leadership management.

FIFY

They've missed a golden opportunity:

"Effective Jan 1st, all USAF military funerals have featured a Missing Man flyover by F-35s instead of a graveside rifle honors detail."
"I was at a funeral last week, and I didn't see any such flyover."
"See how well the F-35's stealth systems work?!"
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Postby toad » Sat Dec 26, 2015 7:00 pm

I was watching a you tube video on the P38 in the Pacific war.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCapVFcVR1o
Those pilots, mechanics, and other support , CB's in particular, had a long hard war. With OJT on how to use the P-38 to best advantage. One thing that struck me was an old pilot saying they learned not to fight the Japanese but to kill them. They'd form up and when they saw Japanese aircraft they'd make a high speed pass through them shooting everyone they could get in their gun sights and try to keep at least a two man formation, then after they got through the japs, they'd form up and come at them again, and again, and again.
I'm afraid politically it will come to that here. It may be useless trying to fight the parasites, we may just have to kill them.

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Postby Dinochrome One » Sat Dec 26, 2015 10:30 pm

Cobar wrote:I always thought it was the 3 volleys mentioned in the comments. When my wife's uncle passed in 2003 IIRC the Legion did the honors and it was 3 rifles, 3 volleys.


That's how we've been doing it for years at the VFW; three M1 Garands, three volleys. Present Arms, Taps is played on the electronic trumpet, the flag is folded by the uniformed military detail, and then we mill around picking up the empty cartridge-cases. We don't even have seven rifles.
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Postby Old Grafton » Sun Dec 27, 2015 1:54 am

Don't think for a minute this is unplanned. Some caack in the chain of command decided this is a way to make the public squeal in indignation to bring heat on Congress and the Senate to give the Air force back its' slush money.
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Postby skb12172 » Sun Dec 27, 2015 6:30 am

toad wrote:I was watching a you tube video on the P38 in the Pacific war.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCapVFcVR1o
Those pilots, mechanics, and other support , CB's in particular, had a long hard war. With OJT on how to use the P-38 to best advantage. One thing that struck me was an old pilot saying they learned not to fight the Japanese but to kill them. They'd form up and when they saw Japanese aircraft they'd make a high speed pass through them shooting everyone they could get in their gun sights and try to keep at least a two man formation, then after they got through the japs, they'd form up and come at them again, and again, and again.
I'm afraid politically it will come to that here. It may be useless trying to fight the parasites, we may just have to kill them.

Isn't that what happened in Argentina?
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Re: Airforce to do away with the rifle detail at funerals

Postby First Shirt » Sun Dec 27, 2015 5:44 pm

It's been coming for a while now. Since the late 80s, you couldn't get a funeral detail from Offutt unless the honoree died on active duty. Everyone else, including retirees, (even officers) is handled by local veterans organizations, usually VFW, VVOA, or the UNO chapter of the Pen-and-Sword Society (it's kinda like a fraternity, but for veterans).

Did see a neat detail once. The honoree was a retired Air Force Lt./Col., and he'd been big in the local reenactors/buckskinners groups. So the funeral detail consisted of three men, wearing the uniform of the 17th Maryland (Revolutionary War), and three gunbearers, wearing civilian-style clothing of the late 18th century. The volleys were fired with repro Brown Bess muskets.

After the first "Present Arms!" and "Fire!" the next command was "Pass!" The shooters would hand off the fired musket to his gunbearer, take a fresh one, and repeat the process.

Got a feeling the colonel would have approved.
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Re: Airforce to do away with the rifle detail at funerals

Postby JAG2955 » Sun Dec 27, 2015 6:28 pm

In the Corps, if you were buried on or near a base, it was usually active-duty Marines. If you were farther away, it would be passed off to a Marine Corps League detachment, with I&I staff as the casket escort and flag detail.


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