Recently I've seen a few news articles about these badguys digging underground hideouts/complexes in overrun towns to shelter from airstrikes, moving only in back alleys, avoiding nighttime movements etc. What do we currently have in the way of ordnance to penetrate
to the reported depths (up to 100 feet or more) to make life more interesting for them?
ISIS/Etc Tunnel Hideouts
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Re: ISIS/Etc Tunnel Hideouts
Some of the bigger bunker-busters might, but a BIG fuel-air package might generate enough overpressure to be useful.
It's been a while since I did any serious targeting, so I'm not really up-to-speed on what's currently available.
It's been a while since I did any serious targeting, so I'm not really up-to-speed on what's currently available.
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Old skool works well too, but you've got to have boots on the ground. Cave in the entrances with HE or bulldozers and watch where they come out. Cave those in too. Eventually, the oxygen will run out.
In 80 years someone will find them and do a documentary. For example, there are still a hundred miles of so of old Nazi tunnels under Berlin. The fuhrerbunker was caved in, and a parking lot built atop it.
In 80 years someone will find them and do a documentary. For example, there are still a hundred miles of so of old Nazi tunnels under Berlin. The fuhrerbunker was caved in, and a parking lot built atop it.
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Re: ISIS/Etc Tunnel Hideouts
I saw an article a while ago about how many NVA died in their bunkers from air strikes and artillery during that unpleasantness. Apparently many of them were not safe enough from the big ones and they would be buried or whatever. It was based on interviews with former NVA and such. Of course we did not usually know that in our after action analysis.
Since we are even more accurate now, I would think the margin of error in bunker building is even less now.
Since we are even more accurate now, I would think the margin of error in bunker building is even less now.
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Boots on the ground or intelligence on the ground. ISIL has made enemies of locals so if you can get in agents to talk to the locals they'll rat out them out.
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Depends. "100 feet" of what? Soil composition? Water table level? Reinforcing? etc. etc.
Depending on the answers to those questions, we had stuff in the early 90's that could make life interesting for tunnel residents, and there was stuff on the drawing boards to make that capability cheaper and more effective.
Depending on the answers to those questions, we had stuff in the early 90's that could make life interesting for tunnel residents, and there was stuff on the drawing boards to make that capability cheaper and more effective.
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We have no boots on the ground, and tunnels in built up areas are a targeting no-go because of collateral damage.
Get over it, or invade and besiege the cities in question. Women and children may leave the cordon, anything inside gets starved out.
It's the desert version of the WWII island strategy, minus the hitting the beaches part.
One-year cordon, no bullets except for leakers.
If you want to use PGMs, bomb the water wells.
Easy peasey, and no casualties.
People in the 12th century weren't all morons.
Get over it, or invade and besiege the cities in question. Women and children may leave the cordon, anything inside gets starved out.
It's the desert version of the WWII island strategy, minus the hitting the beaches part.
One-year cordon, no bullets except for leakers.
If you want to use PGMs, bomb the water wells.
Easy peasey, and no casualties.
People in the 12th century weren't all morons.
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Re: ISIS/Etc Tunnel Hideouts
If you have water, flood the tunnels.Aesop wrote:We have no boots on the ground, and tunnels in built up areas are a targeting no-go because of collateral damage.
Get over it, or invade and besiege the cities in question. Women and children may leave the cordon, anything inside gets starved out.
It's the desert version of the WWII island strategy, minus the hitting the beaches part.
One-year cordon, no bullets except for leakers.
If you want to use PGMs, bomb the water wells.
Easy peasey, and no casualties.
People in the 12th century weren't all morons.
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Re: ISIS/Etc Tunnel Hideouts
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Re: ISIS/Etc Tunnel Hideouts
If you have vehicles, flood the tunnels with Carbon Monoxide. Water is a visible warning sign..PawPaw wrote: If you have water, flood the tunnels.
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