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Changing the “Macho” Male Culture of the US Military

Postby Baja boy » Sat Oct 31, 2015 5:29 pm

"This means that the Ranger School “experiment” was an experiment in name only. It was guaranteed from the beginning to graduate a woman and that graduation would be used as proof that the combat exclusion rule needed to go. This, of course, matches what every Army Command Sergeant Major (9) in 2011-2013 told me was said to them by high-level CSMs and General Officers while attending their pre-command courses: “women will be in combat arms and women will graduate Ranger School, if any of you has a problem with that, you need to get out of the military.” They reported that the Ranger Instructors at Ranger School were told the same thing."

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Postby PawPaw » Sat Oct 31, 2015 5:33 pm

This comes as a surprise how? In this culture of gender confusion?
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Postby skb12172 » Sat Oct 31, 2015 6:32 pm

Rome is crumbling. Prepare your Plan B.
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Postby Yogimus » Sat Oct 31, 2015 7:31 pm

Yes. A vagina with a gun is clear sign of barbarians at the gates.

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Postby kapikui » Sat Oct 31, 2015 7:34 pm

Yogimus wrote:Yes. A vagina with a gun is clear sign of barbarians at the gates.

You just reminded me of an old South Park episode.

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Postby Kommander » Sat Oct 31, 2015 8:45 pm

Yogimus wrote:Yes. A vagina with a gun is clear sign of barbarians at the gates.


The military has a ton more problem right now than the women in combat arms. A competent military could easily deal with the small percentage of woman who are both willing and able to serve indirect combat roles. Unfortunately our military's leadership can no longer be called competent.

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Postby skb12172 » Sat Oct 31, 2015 9:00 pm

Yogimus wrote:Yes. A vagina with a gun is clear sign of barbarians at the gates.

Do a bit of research on the failed Israeli experiments with women in combat. There is a reason most of their female troops are in support areas. When your entire military is women and/or non gender specific social justice experiments, and anyone not on board with that is told to get out, well...superior technology can only take you so far. It may not be superior for much longer either, as that gap is also closing.
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Postby JAG2955 » Sun Nov 01, 2015 12:17 am

I wouldn't be surprised if I know the writer of that article.

I do not give two shits if a woman is in a combat arms position. I do care if she can do the job. Incidentally, I care about it the exact amount as I care if a male can do their job.

And yes, they absolutely are trying to change the culture of the military. It's become a social experiment. It's why we have all those all those special months, from African American Heritage month to LGBTWTFBBQ month. It's why "male privilege" is now part of the Navy's domestic abuse training. It's why the number of required annual training hours only increases each year for everything under the sun, for every single special-interest group that you can name.

I'm going to make a hundred copies of my DD-214 and roll around in it now.

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Postby scipioafricanus » Sun Nov 01, 2015 1:11 am

Fine, abolish the dual PT requirements. Everyone takes the same test.

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Postby Jericho941 » Sun Nov 01, 2015 1:28 am

skb12172 wrote:well...superior technology can only take you so far. It may not be superior for much longer either, as that gap is also closing.


In what area?

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Postby skb12172 » Sun Nov 01, 2015 2:03 am

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skb12172 wrote:well...superior technology can only take you so far. It may not be superior for much longer either, as that gap is also closing.


In what area?


In several areas, but most alarmingly, in Space. There are many more articles than this, but here's a taste. Are we in immediate peril? No, but let's have another decade of what we've got right now and see where we are.

link 1

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Link 3.

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Postby Jericho941 » Sun Nov 01, 2015 4:36 am

Hmm. Yeah, some of those are cause for concern, but nothing there is significantly alarming. Adversaries adapting to our space capabilities (and gaining their own) is to be expected. The thing to remember is that most media thrives on doomsaying, especially when it comes to the military.

2 (The Economist) makes a dig at the stealth of the F-35 and immediately touts "stealthy, long-range strike drones" as a better investment. I know the media has a massive boner for UAVs of all kinds, but here's the thing: There is no such thing as a stealthy, long-range strike drone. There are, however, pretty stealthy cruise missiles, which are already a thing. Anyway, we don't trust drones to unilaterally select and fire on targets. Any drone used as a strike aircraft will be in constant contact with someone looking at what it's looking at, and will only fire with his or her say-so. Which means it's constantly emitting RF. Which means it's not very stealthy at all. :lol:

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Postby Vonz90 » Mon Nov 02, 2015 2:54 am

scipioafricanus wrote:Fine, abolish the dual PT requirements. Everyone takes the same test.

SA


+ 1000 exactly

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Postby Termite » Mon Nov 02, 2015 6:21 am

scipioafricanus wrote:Fine, abolish the dual PT requirements. Everyone takes the same test.

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Oh yeah, baby. :lol:

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Postby Aesop » Mon Nov 02, 2015 7:55 pm

scipioafricanus wrote:Fine, abolish the dual PT requirements. Everyone takes the same male test.

SA

FIFY.

In 45 minutes, you have exactly 27 females left in the entire US military.
Including precisely none at the service academies.

You explain to the ones remaining that they can do any job they want, but that there will no longer be separate-sex barracks/berthing or bathroom facilities, including in the field.
And that they will be assigned to combat arms and combat billets in the exact same ratio that men are service-wide.

By T+30" you have returned the military to a one-sex organization, using a single standard that's equally fair to everyone.

You tell the really butch Gender Warriors agitating from the outside they are free to become Girl Scout troop leaders, and let the military get back to fighting wars.
And remind them that the only jobs women are biologically better-suited for than men are birthing babies and nursing infants, neither of which specialties represent any current MOS nor military requirements.
Concurrently, you rename DoD back to the War Department.
If they have any jobs open to women, they are free to be employed by the War Department as civilian employees there, to include stateside clerks and jerks, and hospital nursing staff.

And just to make things sporty, all military commands have to institute a voluntary quarterly 10K run on a weekend, led without exception by the respective one-, two-, three-, and four-star general/flag rank leaders.
In any command where the leader in question doesn't complete the run, or that doesn't muster >51% overall turnout and >80% officer turnout, that general officer is cashiered on the spot for leadership failure.
Thus endeth the era of political appointee generals.

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Postby JAG2955 » Mon Nov 02, 2015 10:30 pm

Aesop wrote:
scipioafricanus wrote:Fine, abolish the dual PT requirements. Everyone takes the same male test.

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FIFY.

In 45 minutes, you have exactly 27 females left in the entire US military.
Including precisely none at the service academies.



The fleet's physical standards pale in comparison to those of the service academies.

But I'm sure that you knew that.

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Postby First Shirt » Tue Nov 03, 2015 12:59 am

Yeah, I always enjoyed trying to explain to a male 40-YO E-7 that if he was an 18-YO female, he'd have passed his PT test with a perfect score. As it was, he failed. Badly.
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Postby skb12172 » Tue Nov 03, 2015 1:16 am

I'm surprised there haven't been lawsuits over that.
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Postby Termite » Wed Nov 04, 2015 2:06 pm

skb12172 wrote:I'm surprised there haven't been lawsuits over that.

Because it's the US military.
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Postby Jericho941 » Wed Nov 04, 2015 8:08 pm

The Air Force rationale is that it has nothing to do with physical ability on the job, it's about health. A "healthy" female under 30 only needs to be able to "run" a mile and a half in 16:22 or less to be "moderate risk." In other words, an 18 year old that can barely manage to jog a mile and a half might want to consider making different life choices like quitting smoking or whatever, but the Air Force isn't gonna make her do it. Granted, at that speed her score would be so low, she'd better do great on push-ups and crunches.

The absolute minimums for those are 18 and 38, respectively.

A run time of 16:22 would be an automatic failure for any male up to age 49. Only 50-59 year-olds could do 18 push-ups and hope to pass.

The only women who fail AF PT tests tend to be the ones who ballooned like crazy during a pregnancy, or had bad timing on being declared eligible to test again after an injury.

Which, really, is the only real focus of the AF PT program: Force reduction and booting out fat chicks.

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Postby PawPaw » Wed Nov 04, 2015 8:27 pm

I once had a Battalion Commander (Bill Carey, you magnificent bastard) who would lead us on a "payday run". Every payday, the last working day of the month, the battalion would gather at the HQ (This in the old days. The uniform was tee-shirts, fatigue pants and combat boots) and go for a little run. About three miles, give or take. As we rounded the last curve, back to HQ, LTC Carey would light a big black stogie, and puff it energetically while we broke formation and ran the last half-mile. He'd stand at the finish line and berate us all for being pussies.

There was exactly one woman in the battalion, a staff sergeant who worked for me. Big ol' lesbian, but nobody cared. Damn fine supply sergeant. One day, after the payday run, she approached the Colonel, slapped him on the back, took his cigar and puffed it, then handed it back to him. I thought the Colonel was going to blow a gasket, but he laughed it off and told the sergeant that the next time she wanted a cigar, to come see him.

I don't think anybody could get away with that shit in today's Army.
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Postby PawPaw » Thu Dec 03, 2015 11:38 pm

I see today that our SecDef has ordered all military jobs available to females in the next 30 days.
Defense Secretary Ash Carter announced today that he was tossing the entire issue out the window and that the United States military would be opening “all combat roles” to women at the beginning of the year. This from NBC News.
If they make all PT standards the same, regardless of gender (yeah, fat chance of that happening) this order will be without much merit.
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Postby Aesop » Fri Dec 04, 2015 12:35 am

Yup.
They went full retard.

Anybody left that still thinks (or buys the party-line BS from on high) that the Rangerette tests were fair and unbiased?
Or that anyone at DoD was listening to the volumes of well-documented and laboriously compiled evidentiary research from the USMC showing this was a fundamentally flawed and thoroughly jackassical notion?

Fundamental Change*, 1.
Military Readiness, 0.

Those of you still in the .mil are so far beyond fucked now, you couldn't see it behind you with binoculars.
GTFO.
Proof of the pudding will be the zero officers 0-6 and higher who will publicly resign over this in the coming days. Zero.
This country is about to be tested in ways anyone not paying attention cannot possibly imagine in their wildest nightmares.
And found horribly wanting.

There's also this reaction shot to the announcement:
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Postby JAG2955 » Fri Dec 04, 2015 3:08 am

And a thousand recruiters' assholes slammed shut instantly...

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Postby First Shirt » Fri Dec 04, 2015 3:14 am

JAG2955 wrote:And a thousand recruiters' assholes slammed shut instantly...


Oh, that's what that noise was! Had me worried there, for a minute! Thought they'd dropped a wet charge in the furnace.
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