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Some Antifas Run Afoul of the NFA

Posted: Tue Jun 30, 2020 4:34 am
by Jered
Two indictments were returned yesterday in federal court in Central Islip, New York, charging Samantha Shader, and co-defendants Colinford Mattis and Urooj Rahman in connection with their alleged attempts to use improvised incendiary devices, commonly known as “Molotov Cocktails,” to damage and destroy New York City Police Department vehicles during protests this past month.

The seven-count indictments each charge the defendants with the use of explosives, arson, use of explosives to commit a felony, arson conspiracy, use of a destructive device, civil disorder, and making or possessing a destructive device.
https://www.justice.gov/usao-edny/pr/tw ... v-cocktail

Turns out they're lawyers from New York.

The schadenfreude is strong with me because I'd bet that they're probably gun banners and think FDR was awesome.

Re: Some Antifas Run Afoul of the NFA

Posted: Tue Jun 30, 2020 7:59 am
by Netpackrat
I keep hoping for the ATF to surround the CHAZ, and start a gunfight where everyone dies.

Re: Some Antifas Run Afoul of the NFA

Posted: Tue Jun 30, 2020 9:33 pm
by Langenator
I don't know if they have been or will be charged in state court (might be double jeopardy entanglements), but I did learn that NY (state) law has a special section (150.20) for arson with a Molotov cocktail. And it's an A-I felony.

Re: Some Antifas Run Afoul of the NFA

Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2020 3:49 am
by HTRN
Langenator wrote:
Tue Jun 30, 2020 9:33 pm
but I did learn that NY (state) law has a special section (150.20) for arson with a Molotov cocktail. And it's an A-I felony.
Yup, i remember that from a HS civics class. They're about to have their shit pushed in.

Re: Some Antifas Run Afoul of the NFA

Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2020 9:01 am
by Langenator
Texas doesn't have anything like it in the penal code. I'm pretty sure they're included under 46.05, Prohibited Weapons, since the definition of 'explosive device' includes incendiaries.

Re: Some Antifas Run Afoul of the NFA

Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2020 7:17 pm
by BDK
I think, in TX law, and its been a long time since I worried about criminal statutes, they'd be far more concerned about the arson charge. (I want to say, it would count as an "occupied" building, even if it didn't have people in it, as it wasn't abandoned... But that's a very fuzzy memory.)

Re: Some Antifas Run Afoul of the NFA

Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2020 7:21 pm
by BDK
Yeah, I think you could get the jury to hand out a very long sentence for this, in Texas. https://statelaws.findlaw.com/texas-law ... -laws.html

https://statutes.capitol.texas.gov/Docs ... /PE.28.htm

Re: Some Antifas Run Afoul of the NFA

Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2020 1:38 am
by Old Grafton
Just the NFA conviction I expect would get 'em disbarred.

Re: Some Antifas Run Afoul of the NFA

Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2020 3:52 pm
by Langenator
Under TX PC, the arson of a vehicle would only be a 2nd degree felony, so 2-20 years, unless a person was injured or killed.

I assume NY created the special section of the law for arson with a Molotov, and made it an A-1 felony, based on specific incidents, and possibly specifically because such things most often happen in the context of a riot or civil disturbance. It would be interesting to see the legislative history behind that specific section of the NY law.