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Re: Why Italy so hard

Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2020 10:44 am
by scipioafricanus
Vonz90 wrote:
Wed Mar 25, 2020 12:00 am
Interesting factoid about the demographics of Italy's fatalities. Only 4% have been under the age of 60. They have actually had more over the age of 90 than under 60.
Also if you noticed the video from Sky News about a tour through an Italian hospital, all the people with the bubble helmets are male.

Possible demographic link there?

Re: Why Italy so hard

Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2020 5:46 am
by Termite

Re: Why Italy so hard

Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2020 2:32 pm
by MiddleAgedKen
Very interesting. Quoting the original:
What that means is that if you die in an Italian hospital of the measles (that you were never inoculated for), but the autopsy shows the Wuhan Virus, you get entered as a COVID-19 death.

You can be asymptomatic for COVID-19, and die of a heart attack because you ate nothing but baked brie for 58 years, and it's a coronavirus death.

Didn't get a pneumonia shot, and (bloody surprise!) die of pneumonia, but they find coronavirus? It's a coronavirus death.
That reminds me a lot of Cathy Young's excellent reporting (she ended up getting some things wrong but she did a lot of digging) on HIV/AIDS in the 1990s (btw, remember when AIDS was going to "inevitably" explode into the heterosexual population and kill us all?). In much of sub-Saharan Africa anyone who died in hospital of practically anything had "le slim" or "le SIDA" (AIDS) recorded on the death certificate.

Re: Why Italy so hard

Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2020 9:49 pm
by Langenator
Interestingly, it looks like Spain might end up with a higher death rate than Italy when all is said and done. At 19 days after the identification of the 100th case, Italy's death rate was 2 per 100,000 population. Spain's was 3 - 50% higher than Italy.

The U.S. rate is 0.2.

https://mises.org/wire/uss-covid-19-dea ... -and-spain

No word on how Spain compares to Italy in terms of risk factors mentioned here - age distribution in the population, prevalence of smoking (my recollection from my time in Afghanistan was that pretty much all the Euros smoked like chimneys, except the Brits), and anti-vax idiocy level.

It was also pointed out that number of ICU beds is a critical factor = once those get filled up, the lethality rate rises dramatically.

Re: Why Italy so hard

Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2020 12:39 am
by Jered
Langenator wrote:
Thu Mar 26, 2020 9:49 pm
No word on how Spain compares to Italy in terms of risk factors mentioned here - age distribution in the population, prevalence of smoking (my recollection from my time in Afghanistan was that pretty much all the Euros smoked like chimneys, except the Brits), and anti-vax idiocy level.
Chinese people smoke like chimneys and they have a lot of smoke. Both of those things are bad for lung function and smoking it bad for your immune system.

Also, I saw a post on Powerline where someone mentioned the Diamond Princess (the quarantined plague ship) 20% of people on that boat got infected and cruise ships are basically petri dishes for people.

Re: Why Italy so hard

Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2020 2:51 am
by Langenator
Jered wrote:
Fri Mar 27, 2020 12:39 am
Langenator wrote:
Thu Mar 26, 2020 9:49 pm
No word on how Spain compares to Italy in terms of risk factors mentioned here - age distribution in the population, prevalence of smoking (my recollection from my time in Afghanistan was that pretty much all the Euros smoked like chimneys, except the Brits), and anti-vax idiocy level.
Chinese people smoke like chimneys and they have a lot of smoke. Both of those things are bad for lung function and smoking it bad for your immune system.

Also, I saw a post on Powerline where someone mentioned the Diamond Princess (the quarantined plague ship) 20% of people on that boat got infected and cruise ships are basically petri dishes for people.
Cruise passengers tend to skew older than the general population, as well.

Re: Why Italy so hard

Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2020 5:40 am
by HTRN
Langenator wrote:
Thu Mar 26, 2020 9:49 pm
The U.S. rate is 0.2.
Currently, the mortality rate in the US is 1.5%, according to worldometers.info. numbers (85k infected, 1300 deaths)

Re: Why Italy so hard

Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2020 5:44 am
by Termite
Orleans and Jefferson parishes(counties) are hot beds of the Kung Flu outbreak; because Mardi Gras.

Re: Why Italy so hard

Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2020 11:38 am
by Langenator
HTRN wrote:
Fri Mar 27, 2020 5:40 am
Langenator wrote:
Thu Mar 26, 2020 9:49 pm
The U.S. rate is 0.2.
Currently, the mortality rate in the US is 1.5%, according to worldometers.info. numbers (85k infected, 1300 deaths)
Measuring different things. The rate quoted in the Mises article is deaths per 100,000 overall population, not (tested and known) infected.