Being Chinese is a Job

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Being Chinese is a Job

Post by Vonz90 » Fri Feb 09, 2018 7:21 pm

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/4 ... wing-state

So the Vatican is letting the Chicoms pick their Bishops. I believe the Pope owes Henry IV an apology.

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Re: Being Chinese is a Job

Post by Rich » Fri Feb 09, 2018 8:08 pm

Perhaps so, but when the one you name may disappear if not acceptable to the local warlords, perhaps it's the better choice to nominate one more acceptable in order to keep the church presence in China rather than have it vanish completely.

The church had a similar problem with Stalin, so there is precedence.
A weak government usually remains a servant of citizens, while a strong government usually becomes the master of its subjects.
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A choice, not an echo. - Goldwater campaign, 1964

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Re: Being Chinese is a Job

Post by Windy Wilson » Fri Feb 09, 2018 8:22 pm

Precedent, yes, but what was the fuss with the Tudors, then? They were just trying to assure a peaceful and smooth transition of government.
Henry VIII had no need to be marrying and divorcing women in tandem in order to merely get nookie.
The use of the word "but" usually indicates that everything preceding it in a sentence is a lie.
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"I support the Second Amendment, but". . .
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Re: Being Chinese is a Job

Post by Rich » Fri Feb 09, 2018 10:01 pm

Yeah, but royalty and serial nookie kind of go together.
A weak government usually remains a servant of citizens, while a strong government usually becomes the master of its subjects.
- paraphrased from several sources

A choice, not an echo. - Goldwater campaign, 1964

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Re: Being Chinese is a Job

Post by MiddleAgedKen » Sat Feb 10, 2018 12:48 am

Rich wrote:Perhaps so, but when the one you name may disappear if not acceptable to the local warlords, perhaps it's the better choice to nominate one more acceptable in order to keep the church presence in China rather than have it vanish completely.

The church had a similar problem with Stalin, so there is precedence.
If that's what's going on, than someone's forgotten what they're there for.

Quoting Cardinal Francis George, who spoke in 2010 regarding the consequences of the complete secularization of society: “I expect to die in bed, my successor will die in prison and his successor will die a martyr in the public square. His successor will pick up the shards of a ruined society and slowly help rebuild civilization, as the church has done so often in human history.”

The other possibility, I grant, is that the worldviews of the Chinese government and our present Holy Father (this too shall pass) are more compatible than not, so what the heck, why not?
Watergate didn't have a body count.

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Re: Being Chinese is a Job

Post by Rich » Sat Feb 10, 2018 1:55 am

As is going on in Eastern Europe and Russia now, to varying degrees.
A weak government usually remains a servant of citizens, while a strong government usually becomes the master of its subjects.
- paraphrased from several sources

A choice, not an echo. - Goldwater campaign, 1964

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