Wichita PD Murder Unarmed Man At Fake SWAT Call

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Wichita PD Murder Unarmed Man At Fake SWAT Call

Post by skb12172 » Sat Dec 30, 2017 3:13 pm

The cop should still go down, as well as the prank caller. Felony Manslaughter, out of police work, never own a gun again. The Prankster should get Life in PMITA prison. Fools.

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Re: Wichita PD Murder Unarmed Man At Fake SWAT Call

Post by Vonz90 » Sat Dec 30, 2017 6:12 pm

skb12172 wrote:The cop should still go down, as well as the prank caller. Felony Manslaughter, out of police work, never own a gun again. The Prankster should get Life in PMITA prison. Fools.

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Re: Wichita PD Murder Unarmed Man At Fake SWAT Call

Post by Jered » Sat Dec 30, 2017 7:25 pm

According to what I've read on the internetz, the Kansas State BCI doesn't tend to whitewash shootings by local police officers.

Sounds like both the cop and the caller need to go to prison over this.

The Wichita police department also needs to fire everyone who trained these cops. Responding to a potential hostage situation. Gee. Why don't we shoot the first person to come bursting out of where we think the hostage is located. What is wrong with that picture? Congratulations, Wichita PD, you've just shot a potential hostage running toward you in the vain hope of rescue. Idiots.

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Post by Greg » Sun Dec 31, 2017 1:08 am

Jered wrote:According to what I've read on the internetz, the Kansas State BCI doesn't tend to whitewash shootings by local police officers.

Sounds like both the cop and the caller need to go to prison over this.

The Wichita police department also needs to fire everyone who trained these cops. Responding to a potential hostage situation. Gee. Why don't we shoot the first person to come bursting out of where we think the hostage is located. What is wrong with that picture? Congratulations, Wichita PD, you've just shot a potential hostage running toward you in the vain hope of rescue. Idiots.

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I pointed that out elsewhere, and was the first one to make that 'you just wasted a hostage' observation, in that discussion. So much fail.
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Re: Wichita PD Murder Unarmed Man At Fake SWAT Call

Post by Steamforger » Sun Dec 31, 2017 6:03 am

The guys I know have shifted from high-speed dynamic entries just because of stuff like this. They prefer now to hunker down in and behind the Bearcat after a perimeters been set and pump gas.

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Post by scipioafricanus » Sun Dec 31, 2017 1:24 pm

Steamforger wrote:The guys I know have shifted from high-speed dynamic entries just because of stuff like this. They prefer now to hunker down in and behind the Bearcat after a perimeters been set and pump gas.
Hopefully they spend that time making sure they are at the right house.
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Re: Wichita PD Murder Unarmed Man At Fake SWAT Call

Post by Langenator » Sun Dec 31, 2017 1:56 pm

Steamforger wrote:The guys I know have shifted from high-speed dynamic entries just because of stuff like this. They prefer now to hunker down in and behind the Bearcat after a perimeters been set and pump gas.
It amazed me, when I was in Afghanistan years ago (2009-2010) that the procedure there, even for a lot of the SOF units* was was we called 'Cordon and Knock'. This even applied to JPEL (Joint Prioritized Engagement List; serious bad guys who were up a ways in the hierarchy, high enough and bad enough to be targeted by name. The equivalent in stateside law enforcement would be violent felons for whom you already have an arrest warrant) targets that were the target of Capture/Kill missions.

The way the op usually went was the troops would insert and set up a cordon around the target location before first light. Once the sun came up, they'd call out, using a 'terp and loudspeakers, to get people to exit the compound. Women, kids, and old men first, then the Fighting Age Guys. Once people stopped coming out, they do their enter and clear drills. Most of the time, everyone came out peacefully, no shooting was necessary.

It mystified me that, unless there was active violence going on, that stateside cops didn't employ similar tactics.

*This applied to all units that fell under ISAF/NATO command. There were SOF units that were outside this chain, under U.S.-only command. We referred to them as 'Numbered Task Forces', and they consisted of Rangers, SEALS, and JSOC hitters, who rotated in and out on 90 day or shorter trips. (So if a guy says he went to OIF or OEF with the Rangers, he probably has the same amount of time in country as a grunt from 1st Armored Division.) They had different RoE, and would go straight to blasting an entrance and conducting a dynamic entry and assault. They also had a nasty habit of bailing if there were civilian casualties, often without telling anyone what had happened, leaving the conventional force battlespace owner to clean up the mess. One of GEN McChrystal's unsung successes was drastically reducing this sort of behavior. As a former JSOC commander, he had the respect and authority within that corner of the SOF community to make them listen to him.
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Re: Wichita PD Murder Unarmed Man At Fake SWAT Call

Post by MiddleAgedKen » Sun Dec 31, 2017 3:51 pm

Langenator wrote:It mystified me that, unless there was active violence going on, that stateside cops didn't employ similar tactics.
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Post by Johnnyreb » Mon Jan 01, 2018 9:17 pm

What I want to know is if the scum who made that fake call will be charged with capital murder. People who do this need to die and others like them need to know they got the death sentence. Or it won't stop happening.

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Re: Wichita PD Murder Unarmed Man At Fake SWAT Call

Post by Odahi » Tue Jan 02, 2018 2:20 pm

The charges for "SWATting" need to START at attempted murder. This is not a prank. TP the target's house, that is a prank. Even a burning bag of dogshit on the porch can turn ugly in a hurry. Porches can catch fire. But this crap is nothing short of a malicious attempt to get the cops to shoot or imprison someone you don't like. Fuck you, literally, in general population for about five years. To start. If there are injuries or death as a result of your little "prank?" Then we start to get SERIOUSLY vindictive on your sorry ass. I'm sometimes in favor of excessive punishment, especially in the case of the first guy to get caught in some activity. If you SLAM the first one, the rest may get the message that it is not acceptable behavior.
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