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Something a lot of Americans don’t realize when talking about Russia is that they’ve never had a conception of private property. In Tsarist times, all the property in the Empire belonged, personally to the Tsar, who would distribute it as he or she saw fit. The nobility’s money was measured not in land, but in souls. The Russian peasantry, going back to Prechristian times, ran communal farms known as mir that became the standard farming unit in Tsarist times. Private property didn’t exist in full in Russia until 2001. So when people talk about Russia in the 1990′s as “adapting to Capitalism for the first time”, they’re not talking about “for the first time since 1917.” They mean, quite literally, that Russia transitioned from feudal slavery to Communism, with a minor break to a hybrid Feudalistic-Capitalistic system that existed for roughly 40 years.


This is factually incorrect. The idea of owning serfs was true but not since 1861 when Alexander II freed them. The part of the Tsar owning all of the land is also incorrect and was forever going back to the powerful boyers who were at one time very powerful and obviously controlled their own properties. My own family had estates in several provinces, my great grandfather's estate having been purchased by him shortly before the war (he was a younger son so would not have inherited his father's). Likewise there were corporate interests that owned factories and other businesses. This goes back to at least Peter the Great.

The whole deal with the kulaks was that they were peasants who owned their own land.

The state was usually corrupt, overly powerful and overly centralized and owned a bunch of stuff they had no business in, but saying that there there was no private property in Tsarists Russia is just wrong.


My understanding is that Kulaks are what the guy was talking about with the "hybrid Feudalistic-Capitalistic system that existed for roughly 40 years" and that boyars owned the facilities, but not the land they were on. They didn't have the power of European aristocracy.


No, the kulaks owned the land they worked as opposed to the serfs who did not; this distinction goes back to a long time in Russia. There were not a ton of kulaks but they were definitely a separate class. Incidentally, that is part of the reason the communists persecuted the kulaks. Since they owned their own land, they were considered oppressors by communist doctrine even though from a class standpoint they were peasants.

There was also a 'middle class" of peasants who were not serfs but did not own their own land, but I forget the name for them.

BTW - there were analogous classes in other places in Europe. My mother's family traces back to the free peasant class in Saxony for instance. So while they were peasants, they were not serfs and did own small farms (could be very small down to a few acres or whatever) and also worked as hired hands on the larger holdings around. They actually made up a high percentage of immigrants to the US (relative their percentage of the German population - which was not large) because as industrialization became important in the second half of the 19th century, the value of their labor went way down and they had a very tough time economically.
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Jered wrote:I just won a Barrett M82A1 in .50 BMG on gunbroker.

*laughs in Freedom*

How much?
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HTRN wrote:How much?


$8350 shipped, with a set of Barrett rings, a Leupold Mk 4 scope (54560) and 20 rounds of ammo.
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HTRN wrote:How much?


$8350 shipped, with a set of Barrett rings, a Leupold Mk 4 scope (54560) and 20 rounds of ammo.


Schwing!!!
Buy ammunition and magazines.

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I need to compensate. :lol:
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Jered wrote:I need to compensate. :lol:


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Postby blackeagle603 » Sat Jun 10, 2017 4:19 pm

Just bought a ridiculously expensive set of bar racks for my 15 year old 445K mile Golf. After nearly 30 years of makeshift tiedowns on rusty old school racks or lately the soft racks with their straps cutting through drivers line of sight in the interior I figured I'd go for it. No hiding from the water time anymore, have to get my money's worth now.

These can handle a SUP board and kayaks as well so let's go for.
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Postby Jered » Sat Jun 10, 2017 5:33 pm

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Buying yourself a really expensive toy usually means you just got dumped.


...not lately. :P
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Buying yourself a really expensive toy usually means you just got dumped.


...not lately. :P


Happens to everyone at some point. :)

I can't help but think of one time a friend of a friend shows up wearing a *beautiful* and extremely expensive new Italian suit. We teased him a little, 'what's the special occasion?', etc. He insisted it was important, he needed it for interviews. And then our mutual friend whispers in my ear 'yeah, he just got dumped!'. :lol:
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Postby Jered » Tue Jun 13, 2017 2:59 am

I bought a quad.

Driving around town on it is a blast.
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Jered wrote:I bought a quad.

Driving around town on it is a blast.


You must have a lot of free time. Now. :lol:
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I guess I do.
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Postby Jericho941 » Fri Jun 16, 2017 9:08 pm

You know Microsoft has lost its damn mind when they reveal "The most POWERFUL CONSOLE EVER" at E3, call it the "X-Box One X", and after saying "let's see what this monster can do," the first game they show is Minecraft.

How there is demand for 4K Minecraft I will never know.

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Postby HTRN » Sat Jun 17, 2017 10:37 pm

So, by the end of the day, I'll have tapped just under 2900 6mm holes.. :shock: :ugeek: :mrgreen:
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HTRN wrote:So, by the end of the day, I'll have tapped just under 2900 6mm holes.. :shock: :ugeek: :mrgreen:


That's what she said.
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Postby HTRN » Sun Jun 18, 2017 4:27 pm

Now that i think about it, its probably over 3000, as the 6 pairs of rails had 119 6mmx1 tapped holes, each, plus the tapped mounting holes on the other side..

Thinking about ordering a force measurement setup for my arbor press, along with a cheap digital gauge..
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Postby Steamforger » Mon Jun 19, 2017 5:07 pm

I'd hoped we'd avoided that proxy war with Russia when Hillary didn't get elected.

Looks like that may not end up being the case.

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Postby blackeagle603 » Tue Jun 20, 2017 2:55 pm

Art of the deal. Negotiations, bluffing, flashing of cards currently underway.

Putin has seen what lines Trump/Tillerson/Mattis are willing to cross. He's testing to see how much deeper they're willing to commit. See if they'll flinch.

Meanwhile on a personal level I have this to say about all that...
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Saw this posted elsewhere. Even though a bunch of the memes/references went right past me, still damn funny:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cruRyoo2xiE
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Postby Weetabix » Fri Jun 23, 2017 3:30 pm

I wonder how much great linkage I miss out on because I'm too lazy to click it since there's no description of what's there? :geek:
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I figure it's your loss if you don't trust me to not send you to total crap.
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Netpackrat wrote:I figure it's your loss if you don't trust me to not send you to total crap.

Oh, it's not that. I just don't know if I share the same interests as whoever posted the link. Everyone does it.
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Thanks Net. That was all right, in a non marxist way, 8-)
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Netpackrat wrote:Saw this posted elsewhere. Even though a bunch of the memes/references went right past me, still damn funny:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cruRyoo2xiE


I usually find the whole Pepe, Kekistan, and other /pol/ memes cringey as hell, but that was actually pretty funny.
Weetabix wrote:I wonder how much great linkage I miss out on because I'm too lazy to click it since there's no description of what's there? :geek:

It's a spoof of "The Sound of Silence" about antifa protestors

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Postby Netpackrat » Sat Jun 24, 2017 4:47 am

Jericho941 wrote:I usually find the whole Pepe, Kekistan, and other /pol/ memes cringey as hell,


Pretty much.
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Netpackrat wrote:Saw this posted elsewhere. Even though a bunch of the memes/references went right past me, still damn funny:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cruRyoo2xiE



...that's pretty good.
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Postby Cobar » Sat Jun 24, 2017 1:57 pm

That video made gave me a chuckle, thanks.

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That made me smile. :D
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Postby Jered » Sun Jun 25, 2017 1:12 am

Holy balls. Riding my four wheeler off road really beats me up. I think I caught some air going up a few hills, too.
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Clint Smith is a national treasure.

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Must. Stop. Buying. Guns.

I kind of want HEI and TBI on my Suburban. But I keep buying guns.
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Postby Greg » Thu Jun 29, 2017 6:46 am

The other day I was at a baseball game, and there were some guys from a company that sells jerky there in cow suits (silly suits, like sports mascots).

When I first saw them, there was someone in the most pitifully made cow costume following them around. The pitiful tag along cow had a PETA shirt on.

People were high-fiving the jerky mascot cows. The PETA look-at-me cow was not getting any love, and eventually slinked off to sit (by itself) in the bleachers.

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Postby Greg » Fri Jul 07, 2017 2:05 am

Was shocked to see a roadkill armadillo today. Had to check - yes they really are in the St Louis area for real. Weird.

Also saw what looked like a coyote walking across a farm field just back from the southwest corner of 94 and Siedentop Rd, around 6pm. (Not far at all from the highway patrol Troop C HQ.)
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There was a roadkill porcupine on the road to work for weeks. Nothing would eat it, and there are all sorts of creatures that eat dead animals out here.
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Me: Working on all of these home improvement projects is going to drive me to drinking.

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So apparently she would piss on him if he was on fire.

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Sepelyak was booked at Allegheny County Jail. She faces attempted homicide and arson charges and is set to appear in court on July 17.

You'd think the urine bucket could constitute some sort of assault as well.

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Vonz90 wrote:Me: Working on all of these home improvement projects is going to drive me to drinking.

Wife: You already drink

Me: Well there you go

Putting up smoke detectors while standing on a stepladder on a staircase after a couple of martinis is a really bad idea...

Or so I've heard.
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Postby Steamforger » Thu Jul 13, 2017 10:49 pm

If college women are pitching softballs at the 65-72mph range and college men are pitching baseballs at 80-95mph (fastball) and between 55-85mph for all others, is there a reason women haven't moved to the baseball?

Is there a benefit to women sticking with the underhanded, fast-pitched, larger ball?

ETA- There is a significant difference in distance between home plate to the mound for them (43' v 60.5'), but I don't think that'd be enough to justify the sticking with the underhanded "spin" pitch versus just making the move to hardball.

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The upper body musculature of women is enough different (meaning less) that throwing an effective overhand fastball is pretty much impossible.

As far as I think I know. ;)
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Rich wrote:The upper body musculature of women is enough different (meaning less) that throwing an effective overhand fastball is pretty much impossible.

As far as I think I know. ;)

There's a GIF of a young lady throwing a football over at reddit, she has quite an arm:

http://i.imgur.com/EQMyHF4.gifv

Still, she doesn't throw like a guy.
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........she has quite an arm:


Indeed she does. At least while stepping into the throw.
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Steamforger wrote:If college women are pitching softballs at the 65-72mph range and college men are pitching baseballs at 80-95mph (fastball) and between 55-85mph for all others, is there a reason women haven't moved to the baseball?

Is there a benefit to women sticking with the underhanded, fast-pitched, larger ball?

ETA- There is a significant difference in distance between home plate to the mound for them (43' v 60.5'), but I don't think that'd be enough to justify the sticking with the underhanded "spin" pitch versus just making the move to hardball.


The fastest ever baseball fast-ball by a women pitcher is in the low 80's. I think it is like 105+ for men. The difference in bone/muscle structure is too much to overcome.

I will not say that there will never be a female pitcher in MLB, but if so she will be a soft throwing pitcher with a knuckle ball, submarine pitch, something off the wall.

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From the internet: With self driving vehicles you know that sooner or later there will be a country song about a guy who's truck left him.
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Steamforger wrote:If college women are pitching softballs at the 65-72mph range and college men are pitching baseballs at 80-95mph (fastball) and between 55-85mph for all others, is there a reason women haven't moved to the baseball?

Is there a benefit to women sticking with the underhanded, fast-pitched, larger ball?

ETA- There is a significant difference in distance between home plate to the mound for them (43' v 60.5'), but I don't think that'd be enough to justify the sticking with the underhanded "spin" pitch versus just making the move to hardball.


The fastest ever baseball fast-ball by a women pitcher is in the low 80's. I think it is like 105+ for men. The difference in bone/muscle structure is too much to overcome.

I will not say that there will never be a female pitcher in MLB, but if so she will be a soft throwing pitcher with a knuckle ball, submarine pitch, something off the wall.

I think stature also has something to do with it, e.g. 6'10" Randy Johnson throwing 90 mph sliders and 100+ fastballs in his prime

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Finally stopped procrastinating and took my MO CCW training class. It's a state requirement. Involves classroom training on related law, familiarization with firearms, and a range portion where you have to show basic safety and competence.

Small class, only 3 of us. All of us were already familiar with guns, just finally getting our CCWs. Let me tell you how much I enjoyed spending a day in a room with gun people.

And the instructor was cool, he skipped over some stuff that was really too basic for us and spent extra time on some really interesting 'more advanced' stuff - mainly extra shoot/don't shoot scenarios we talked out, including a few he had devised to be deliberately challenging.

The range portion was interesting. The requirement is, take 20 shots at a human silhouette target at 7 yards, and get at least 15 hits in the black. We each took 20 practice shots, with the instructor giving us pointers as appropriate, then took our 20 official test shots.

Long story short - that's an easy requirement, of the 60 shots we collectively took only 1 landed outside the 10 ring, and that just barely. Wasn't me, somehow I slightly out shot them (tighter group) and they were teasing me about it.

Anyway, now I need to give the St Charles County Police some money, and start wasting money on holsters that turn out to be unsuitable. (I don't even *own* a holster, unless my Safepacker counts.)
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OK, I have more time now. I really like the Crossbreed holsters for IWB. I've heard good things about Alien Gear, too, but I haven't tried them yet.
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Gin does not freeze in a chest freezer, vermouth however... :|
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I've been strongly tempted by the Crossbreed hybrid, what do they call it the supertuck?

They're also in our great state, which is a bonus.
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Greg wrote:Finally stopped procrastinating and took my MO CCW training class. It's a state requirement. Involves classroom training on related law, familiarization with firearms, and a range portion where you have to show basic safety and competence.

Small class, only 3 of us. All of us were already familiar with guns, just finally getting our CCWs. Let me tell you how much I enjoyed spending a day in a room with gun people.

And the instructor was cool, he skipped over some stuff that was really too basic for us and spent extra time on some really interesting 'more advanced' stuff - mainly extra shoot/don't shoot scenarios we talked out, including a few he had devised to be deliberately challenging.

The range portion was interesting. The requirement is, take 20 shots at a human silhouette target at 7 yards, and get at least 15 hits in the black. We each took 20 practice shots, with the instructor giving us pointers as appropriate, then took our 20 official test shots.

Long story short - that's an easy requirement, of the 60 shots we collectively took only 1 landed outside the 10 ring, and that just barely. Wasn't me, somehow I slightly out shot them (tighter group) and they were teasing me about it.

Anyway, now I need to give the St Charles County Police some money, and start wasting money on holsters that turn out to be unsuitable. (I don't even *own* a holster, unless my Safepacker counts.)


Holster wise, I mostly use an ugly small pack thing that goes on my belt and also holds my cell phone. Hiding in plane sight so to speak.

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Oh, I also tried the Kirkland branded gin.

IIRC it was $18 for 1.75 liters, even with crazy liqueur taxes.

It's not gentle or subtle - neat it was fairly brutal. Mixes well though, and I am very partial to gin and tonics.
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Vonz90 wrote:
Holster wise, I mostly use an ugly small pack thing that goes on my belt and also holds my cell phone. Hiding in plane sight so to speak.


Uh oh breaking a rule. :)

Thanks, that concept sounds appealing. But how large a non-phone can you conceal in something like that? Unless you have a stupendously large phone to explain a big case.....
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Greg wrote:
Vonz90 wrote:
Holster wise, I mostly use an ugly small pack thing that goes on my belt and also holds my cell phone. Hiding in plane sight so to speak.


Uh oh breaking a rule. :)

Thanks, that concept sounds appealing. But how large a non-phone can you conceal in something like that? Unless you have a stupendously large phone to explain a big case.....


I have a Samsung Note phone which is just about the same footprint as an LC9 by odd coincidence.

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Greg wrote:I've been strongly tempted by the Crossbreed hybrid, what do they call it the supertuck?

They're also in our great state, which is a bonus.

That's what I have. I do enjoy that it's made here.
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Apparently having a criminal history and a large face tattoo makes it hard to find a job. Go figure.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/07/13/wo ... -work.html

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Vonz90 wrote:
Greg wrote:
Vonz90 wrote:
Holster wise, I mostly use an ugly small pack thing that goes on my belt and also holds my cell phone. Hiding in plane sight so to speak.


Uh oh breaking a rule. :)

Thanks, that concept sounds appealing. But how large a non-phone can you conceal in something like that? Unless you have a stupendously large phone to explain a big case.....


I have a Samsung Note phone which is just about the same footprint as an LC9 by odd coincidence.


OK that made me laugh. Excellent.
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Vonz90 wrote:Apparently having a criminal history and a large face tattoo makes it hard to find a job. Go figure.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/07/13/wo ... -work.html


Well maybe he does not want a job???

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I've not seen HBO's The Pacific but an internet acquaintance has made me familiar with one of the authors that was used as a source, Robert Leckie.

I got up and made for the airfield. About twenty yards away was a burning tank. Some of the enemy dead were inside. The snipers hung in their nets like dolls stuffed in a Christmas stocking.

I turned to go, and as I did, nearly stepped on someone’s hand. “Excuse me,” I began to say, but then I saw that it was an unattached hand, or rather a detached one. It lay there alone—open, palm upwards, clean, capable, solitary. I could not tear my eyes from it. The hand is the artisan of the soul. It is the second member of the human trinity of head and hand and heart. A man has no faculty more human than his hand, none more beautiful nor expressive nor productive. To see this hand lying alone, as though contemptuously cast aside, no longer a part of a man, no longer his help, was to see war in all its wantonness; it was to see the especially brutal savagery of our own technique of rending, and it was to see men at their eternal worst, turning upon one another, tearing one another, clawing at their own innards with the maniacal fury of the pride-possessed. The hand saddened me and I offered it a respectful inclination of the head while recovering my balance and making a careful circle around it.


Many of Leckie's quotes are oddly poetic like this. In a weird way, it's led me to think more and more about the impact on the psyche of war made more and more impersonal for longer than living memory.

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More evidence that the can industry be a hurtin' following the 41F buying orgy, and everybody hoping HPA passes...

http://www.capitolarmory.com/advanced-a ... r-671.html

They're literally giving them away.
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Netpackrat wrote:More evidence that the can industry be a hurtin' following the 41F buying orgy, and everybody hoping HPA passes...

http://www.capitolarmory.com/advanced-a ... r-671.html

They're literally giving them away.

Wow, that is tempting. I think we're going to see a big shakeout in the firearms and accessories industry.
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We got VOIP phones in the office a few months ago and purchased a block of local numbers to have direct numbers to our desks. I don't remember mine, and I have not given it out.

I got a call today on it today (shortened for space):
Her (in thick accent): You haf been selected for receiving of grant from government for which you never haf to pay back for paying utility bills on time.
Me: There must be a mistake. My utilities just got cut off.
Her: You are vasting my time.... Fuck off! (click)

I've never gotten a "fuck off" before. It's like a personal best. :lol:
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Netpackrat wrote:More evidence that the can industry be a hurtin' following the 41F buying orgy, and everybody hoping HPA passes...

http://www.capitolarmory.com/advanced-a ... r-671.html

They're literally giving them away.

I made the mistake of buying a can right after the 41f change. So my forms got buried in the pre-41f maelstrom.
So it's a year and counting for my stamp. And I'm pissed.
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evan price wrote:
Netpackrat wrote:More evidence that the can industry be a hurtin' following the 41F buying orgy, and everybody hoping HPA passes...

http://www.capitolarmory.com/advanced-a ... r-671.html

They're literally giving them away.

I made the mistake of buying a can right after the 41f change. So my forms got buried in the pre-41f maelstrom.
So it's a year and counting for my stamp. And I'm pissed.


That sucks, but was fairly predictable. On the bright side, you should be getting pretty close by now, and you still will get it a lot sooner than if you had waited to purchase until after the wait times come back down.
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LOL at some fricking people. Guy on another forum was giving me shit about Lisa Murkowski and the Obamacare vote, and wouldn't let it go. Hmm, says here you are in Florida.... So I google "Florida US Senators" and it turns out that his POS senator voted against the repeal as well. And further, that compared to having Marco "amnesty" Rubio and some anti-gun shitbag of a democrat, I feel pretty good about having Murkowski and Sullivan as my US senators. :lol:
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Netpackrat wrote:
evan price wrote:
Netpackrat wrote:More evidence that the can industry be a hurtin' following the 41F buying orgy, and everybody hoping HPA passes...

http://www.capitolarmory.com/advanced-a ... r-671.html

They're literally giving them away.

I made the mistake of buying a can right after the 41f change. So my forms got buried in the pre-41f maelstrom.
So it's a year and counting for my stamp. And I'm pissed.


That sucks, but was fairly predictable. On the bright side, you should be getting pretty close by now, and you still will get it a lot sooner than if you had waited to purchase until after the wait times come back down.

Oh i know.
But they cashed my check in october.
So they got to my paperwork then.
At least to get the money.
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If it weren't for air conditioning, Florida wouldn't be habitable. I was there for work last week. The first day, the heat index was 105, and that was the "coolest" it was the whole time. It ramped up steadily until Thursday and Friday, both of which had a heat index of 111. Drink lots of water, they say, which is fine if you aren't working in a tower with a rickety elevator and the nearest bathroom 1000' away. It's not the heat, it's the damn humidity (I grew up in El Paso, FFS).
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Hah, yeah Florida and, at the time Millington TN, a culture shock for us west coasters airedales when we arrived in P-cola for training. Never trust any air you can't drink.

30+ years later my San Diego born and raised son's first text from P'cola while waiting in the open air baggage claim was "Guess people don't have to drink any water here. They just breath."
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Odahi wrote:If it weren't for air conditioning, Florida wouldn't be habitable.

Florida before AC was like Los Angeles before Mulholland built his water project...

What's funny was, it had a number of destination towns in the early twentieth century, where the rich would come down from various Northern cities, like New York, Philly and Boston, who would go down foe three months to avoid freezing their ass off on winter, then would go back in spring. This was the background setting of the Marx brothers movie "Cocoanuts". :ugeek:

Btw, New York in August is no fun either, 90f/90% is just plain unpleasant. :evil:
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This morning there was a slight delay getting off of the subway platform, there was a bottleneck because no one wanted to walk up the stairs past the rat that was cavorting on them. Welcome to New F*cking York City!

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HTRN wrote:
Odahi wrote:If it weren't for air conditioning, Florida wouldn't be habitable.

Btw, New York in August is no fun either, 90f/90% is just plain unpleasant. :evil:


Y'all should visit the Midwest. At least our heat and humidity comes with that fresh corn scent. :P

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Gunnuts wrote:
HTRN wrote:
Odahi wrote:If it weren't for air conditioning, Florida wouldn't be habitable.

Btw, New York in August is no fun either, 90f/90% is just plain unpleasant. :evil:


Y'all should visit the Midwest. At least our heat and humidity comes with that fresh corn scent. :P


OK, I just lived half an hour west of NYC for 10 years (Montville Township, opsec no longer applies), and then half an hour west of St Louis for 2 years.

I've heard some people here in MO talk about the humidity and how it makes it feel hotter..... No. It's much drier here than NJ. NJ may not be Houston, but it's still substantially more humid than St Louis.

It's hotter in MO - both higher air temps, and the sun is noticeably stronger. So much so that I bought prescription sunglasses and frequently wear a hat when I'm going to be outside for any length of time. But the lower humidity makes it more comfortable, mostly. (Doing physical labor in direct sun here is worse than doing the same thing in NJ.)

Summer evenings here in MO, after the sun goes down and the peak heat of the day is past, are absolutely exquisite. It's the lower humidity. You only get a few days a *year* in NJ where the evenings are that nice.
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MarkD wrote:This morning there was a slight delay getting off of the subway platform, there was a bottleneck because no one wanted to walk up the stairs past the rat that was cavorting on them. Welcome to New F*cking York City!


Getting soft over there. The NYFC I remember, that rat would be in trouble.
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Greg wrote:
MarkD wrote:This morning there was a slight delay getting off of the subway platform, there was a bottleneck because no one wanted to walk up the stairs past the rat that was cavorting on them. Welcome to New F*cking York City!


Getting soft over there. The NYFC I remember, that rat would be in trouble.


The blockage was mostly women wearing open shoes, so stomping the little bastard wasn't an option for them.

Although I don't get how ANYONE can ride the subway in flip-flops, I'd want to boil my feet when I got home. I can barely stand it in shoes and socks.

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Greg wrote:I've heard some people here in MO talk about the humidity and how it makes it feel hotter..... No. It's much drier here than NJ. NJ may not be Houston, but it's still substantially more humid than St Louis.

I was in LV recently. Over 100, but dry. It felt more bearable than here. I guess it's all about what you're used to.

Summer evenings here in MO, after the sun goes down and the peak heat of the day is past, are absolutely exquisite. It's the lower humidity. You only get a few days a *year* in NJ where the evenings are that nice.

Have you had any of the mornings yet where the humidity is low, temps in the low 70's, sky bright blue, a few fluffy white clouds, and a light breeze? Those are heaven to me.
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I was thinking about all this foofaraw going around about legalizing marijuana, and I realized: it's people nip, and the people are just jealous of the cats. :lol:
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At this point in my life I have lost count of how many times I have heard or read that nobody minds paying the excise tax "because conservation."
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Lived in Hawaii, Osan ROK in the summer,TDY to Blythevill AFB AR, Hurlburt and Eglin on the Florida panhandle in the summer....

The most miserable heat and humidity I ever experienced was detasseling corn in Iowa the summer before I went active duty.

Contracted to do 5 acres. Then took on 3 adjacent acres from the plot next door when the guy contracted to do it gave up and quit showing up. Took about a week and a half. Thunderstorms every night, clear skies and bright sun and mid to high 90's every day. Ankle deep mud and no wind getting down in between the rows as I walked down them (but the sun was high enough so there was little to no shade). Knocked off a couple of pounds of mud from my boots at the end of every row.

I internalized the concept of the siesta at that time. Hit field as soon as it was light enough to see, worked to 11 or 1200, home for lunch and a nap until about 1600 or so and then hit the field until it got too dark.

For me, comfort level hits a wall in 80's with high humidity, but can take up to a 100 or so with low or no Humidity (CF. Dyess and Goodfellow AFB's)
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randy wrote:The most miserable heat and humidity I ever experienced was detasseling corn in Iowa the summer before I went active duty.



The Darlin' Daughter, and her step-sister (they're two weeks apart in age) contracted for 8 acres the first year we lived in Iowa. Took the whole family almost a week to get it done, but they were the first crew to finish their patch. Next year, they found other summer jobs!
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I was born and raised in the Ozarks, where Weetabix now lives. The heat and humidity was just something you lived with. I much prefer the climate along Colorado's Front Range, where it may get warm, but humidity is usually quite low due to the high desert environment. We're now in the summer monsoon, humidity is higher than usual, but temps have dropped a bunch. Feels great. I cannot go back to the Ozarks during summer--I was there years ago, it was 113 F with 90+% humidity. I thought I was melting.
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Postby Vonz90 » Tue Aug 01, 2017 2:06 am

Grew up and now live in St. Louis, used to humidity I am.

Hottest summer I ever spent was a deployment in Kuwait / NAG doing a Coastal Warfare mission. Weeks of over 120F and a lot of days over 130F. Humid when the wind from seaward and sand storms when it was from landward. That was a lot of suck. You do get used to it of such, in late September one evening I was chilly (with goosebumps even) when the temp was like 98F and a light breeze.

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Postby Netpackrat » Thu Aug 03, 2017 3:26 am

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Postby Vonz90 » Thu Aug 03, 2017 6:50 pm

If the consequences of a given action are obvious, can they really be called unintended?

https://academic.oup.com/qje/article-ab ... m=fulltext

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Postby First Shirt » Thu Aug 03, 2017 7:14 pm

Depends on who the consequences are obvious to, doesn't it?

Just because it's obvious to anyone with two functional brain cells, doesn't mean that it's obvious to the people who came up with the scheme in the first place.
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Postby Weetabix » Thu Aug 03, 2017 8:17 pm

First Shirt wrote:Depends on who the consequences are obvious to, doesn't it?

Just because it's obvious to anyone with two functional brain cells, doesn't mean that it's obvious to the people who came up with the scheme in the first place.

^ This. I think most people who come up with well-intentioned, simple fixes to a perceived injustice are actually unable to consider likely consequences. It's the history of most government social programs that they make something worse than what they were trying to fix. Don't know whether this one was a government mandate or a SJW mandate, but it doesn't really matter.
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Postby Greg » Fri Aug 04, 2017 4:34 am

Weetabix wrote:
Greg wrote:I've heard some people here in MO talk about the humidity and how it makes it feel hotter..... No. It's much drier here than NJ. NJ may not be Houston, but it's still substantially more humid than St Louis.

I was in LV recently. Over 100, but dry. It felt more bearable than here. I guess it's all about what you're used to.

Summer evenings here in MO, after the sun goes down and the peak heat of the day is past, are absolutely exquisite. It's the lower humidity. You only get a few days a *year* in NJ where the evenings are that nice.

Have you had any of the mornings yet where the humidity is low, temps in the low 70's, sky bright blue, a few fluffy white clouds, and a light breeze? Those are heaven to me.


I've noticed and enjoyed them, but the evenings stand out to me because I'm just not that much of a morning person. My wife adores mornings like that though, and it's nice how many of them we get.
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Postby Greg » Fri Aug 04, 2017 3:36 pm

Vonz90 wrote:If the consequences of a given action are obvious, can they really be called unintended?

https://academic.oup.com/qje/article-ab ... m=fulltext


Any time some person or system deliberately hides information from you, you (if you're not suicidal and the information is in any way important) make inferences to try to ferret the information out on your own.

It's natural and inevitable.

So now blacks who *don't* have a criminal record will have a harder time finding work, to the net (and INCREDIBLY ironic) benefit of whites who *do*.

They'd have been better off not hiding that info.

You see the same thing in the way the media reports crime. If they hide the race of the criminal, everyone, and I do mean *everyone* who isn't a congenital idiot will know the criminals are black.
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Postby randy » Fri Aug 04, 2017 5:47 pm

Greg wrote:You see the same thing in the way the media reports crime. If they hide the race of the criminal, everyone, and I do mean *everyone* who isn't a congenital idiot will know the criminals are black.


Another example is when the media reports on a politician with criminal troubles, and whether or not the media puts their party affiliation in the headline or first paragraph (R). Or buries it at the bottom of the story (D).
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Postby Vonz90 » Fri Aug 04, 2017 8:50 pm

randy wrote:
Greg wrote:You see the same thing in the way the media reports crime. If they hide the race of the criminal, everyone, and I do mean *everyone* who isn't a congenital idiot will know the criminals are black.


Another example is when the media reports on a politician with criminal troubles, and whether or not the media puts their party affiliation in the headline or first paragraph (R). Or buries it at the bottom of the story (D).


You left out describes the politics of the person in a way to make them sound like a Republican when they are actually a Dem - and then never actually state their affiliation.

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Postby HTRN » Mon Aug 07, 2017 2:54 am

Tomorrow, i get to spend the morning getting the car inspected, and the afternoon having stiches removed from my mouth.

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Re: Does not follow...

Postby Vonz90 » Mon Aug 07, 2017 3:22 am

Went off road with the wife for the first time ever in her life. Nothing all that major but - Yeah - she is not a fan.

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Postby evan price » Mon Aug 07, 2017 8:56 am

Greg wrote:You see the same thing in the way the media reports crime. If they hide the race of the criminal, everyone, and I do mean *everyone* who isn't a congenital idiot will know the criminals are black.

Yes but how many times are you going to read an article where the perpetrators' names are things like DeQuan, LaTosha, Ja'miya, or Tereon and not know the ethnicity?
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Postby Greg » Mon Aug 07, 2017 3:36 pm

evan price wrote:
Greg wrote:You see the same thing in the way the media reports crime. If they hide the race of the criminal, everyone, and I do mean *everyone* who isn't a congenital idiot will know the criminals are black.

Yes but how many times are you going to read an article where the perpetrators' names are things like DeQuan, LaTosha, Ja'miya, or Tereon and not know the ethnicity?


Or when they don't use names at all, just refer to the 'youths'.
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Postby Steamforger » Mon Aug 07, 2017 9:11 pm

The .50 cal myth reared it's ugly head again today (conversation at work).

No prohibition exists in the Geneva Conventions, any other law of war treaty, nor in any other part of the law of war on the use of weapons such as the 23mm ZU-23 or the .50 caliber machinegun as antipersonnel weapons.....Current U.S. doctrine providing for the use of the .50 caliber machinegun as an antipersonnel weapon is consistent with the law of war obligations of the United States. No treaty language exists (either generally or specifically) to support a limitation on its use against personnel, and its widespread, longstanding use in this role suggests that such antipersonnel employment is the customary practice of nations.


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Postby Weetabix » Tue Aug 08, 2017 10:41 pm

My grandson is 4 days late. I'd accuse my daughter of hoarding, but she seems grumpier about it than I am. :lol:
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Re: Does not follow...

Postby Netpackrat » Wed Aug 09, 2017 6:41 am

I liked this video a lot. Some of his build methods are slightly less redneck than mine.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrRi8wVQ5fU
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