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Post by Vonz90 » Thu Jun 08, 2017 4:04 pm

Jericho941 wrote:
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This is factually incorrect. The idea of owning serfs was true but not since 1861 when Alexander II freed them. The part of the Tsar owning all of the land is also incorrect and was forever going back to the powerful boyers who were at one time very powerful and obviously controlled their own properties. My own family had estates in several provinces, my great grandfather's estate having been purchased by him shortly before the war (he was a younger son so would not have inherited his father's). Likewise there were corporate interests that owned factories and other businesses. This goes back to at least Peter the Great.

The whole deal with the kulaks was that they were peasants who owned their own land.

The state was usually corrupt, overly powerful and overly centralized and owned a bunch of stuff they had no business in, but saying that there there was no private property in Tsarists Russia is just wrong.
My understanding is that Kulaks are what the guy was talking about with the "hybrid Feudalistic-Capitalistic system that existed for roughly 40 years" and that boyars owned the facilities, but not the land they were on. They didn't have the power of European aristocracy.
No, the kulaks owned the land they worked as opposed to the serfs who did not; this distinction goes back to a long time in Russia. There were not a ton of kulaks but they were definitely a separate class. Incidentally, that is part of the reason the communists persecuted the kulaks. Since they owned their own land, they were considered oppressors by communist doctrine even though from a class standpoint they were peasants.

There was also a 'middle class" of peasants who were not serfs but did not own their own land, but I forget the name for them.

BTW - there were analogous classes in other places in Europe. My mother's family traces back to the free peasant class in Saxony for instance. So while they were peasants, they were not serfs and did own small farms (could be very small down to a few acres or whatever) and also worked as hired hands on the larger holdings around. They actually made up a high percentage of immigrants to the US (relative their percentage of the German population - which was not large) because as industrialization became important in the second half of the 19th century, the value of their labor went way down and they had a very tough time economically.
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Post by HTRN » Thu Jun 08, 2017 4:10 pm

Jered wrote:I just won a Barrett M82A1 in .50 BMG on gunbroker.

*laughs in Freedom*
How much?
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Post by Jered » Thu Jun 08, 2017 6:44 pm

HTRN wrote: How much?
$8350 shipped, with a set of Barrett rings, a Leupold Mk 4 scope (54560) and 20 rounds of ammo.
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Post by Frankingun » Fri Jun 09, 2017 2:22 pm

Jered wrote:
HTRN wrote: How much?
$8350 shipped, with a set of Barrett rings, a Leupold Mk 4 scope (54560) and 20 rounds of ammo.
Schwing!!!
Buy ammunition and magazines.

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Post by Jered » Fri Jun 09, 2017 5:54 pm

I need to compensate. :lol:
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Post by Greg » Sat Jun 10, 2017 3:19 am

Jered wrote:I need to compensate. :lol:
Buying yourself a really expensive toy usually means you just got dumped.
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Post by blackeagle603 » Sat Jun 10, 2017 3:19 pm

Just bought a ridiculously expensive set of bar racks for my 15 year old 445K mile Golf. After nearly 30 years of makeshift tiedowns on rusty old school racks or lately the soft racks with their straps cutting through drivers line of sight in the interior I figured I'd go for it. No hiding from the water time anymore, have to get my money's worth now.

These can handle a SUP board and kayaks as well so let's go for.
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Post by Jered » Sat Jun 10, 2017 4:33 pm

Greg wrote:
Buying yourself a really expensive toy usually means you just got dumped.
...not lately. :P
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Post by Greg » Sun Jun 11, 2017 1:28 pm

Jered wrote:
Greg wrote:
Buying yourself a really expensive toy usually means you just got dumped.
...not lately. :P
Happens to everyone at some point. :)

I can't help but think of one time a friend of a friend shows up wearing a *beautiful* and extremely expensive new Italian suit. We teased him a little, 'what's the special occasion?', etc. He insisted it was important, he needed it for interviews. And then our mutual friend whispers in my ear 'yeah, he just got dumped!'. :lol:
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Post by Jered » Tue Jun 13, 2017 1:59 am

I bought a quad.

Driving around town on it is a blast.
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