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Re: Whatcha reading redux.

Postby HTRN » Sun Oct 18, 2015 5:02 pm

Finally got around to start reading MHI, up to chapter Nine where they run into the Vamped French Hunter.
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Re: Whatcha reading redux.

Postby MiddleAgedKen » Sun Oct 18, 2015 9:38 pm

Just finished MHI. Great pacing.
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Re: Whatcha reading redux.

Postby toad » Mon Oct 19, 2015 3:35 am

If you haven't read it, I recommend Guns, Germs, and Steel: The Fates of Human Societies by Jared Diamond.
If nothing else find a read the section about 16th Century China. Up in till then it was the most technically advanced and inventive country. The for the sake of "unity" they stagnated, there was only one way to paint, one correct form for music, and etc. Those who dared to be different or who said the wrong thing in front of the wrong people tended to disappear.
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Re: Whatcha reading redux.

Postby Darrell » Tue Oct 20, 2015 10:39 pm

I just finished Pratchett's Eric novel, another Discworld book. I'm about to start The Name of the Wind, Patrick Rothfuss's first Kingkiller Chronicle novel.
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Re: Whatcha reading redux.

Postby MiddleAgedKen » Wed Oct 21, 2015 1:06 am

I made it about a quarter of the way through Guns, Germs, and Steel and decided I'd had about as much anti-Western eyewash as I cared to take. As an alternative, I recommend David S. Landes' The Wealth and Poverty of Nations.
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Re: Whatcha reading redux.

Postby Jered » Wed Oct 21, 2015 5:51 am

I just started Alan Dean Foster's The Damned trilogy.

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Re: Whatcha reading redux.

Postby evan price » Wed Oct 21, 2015 12:07 pm

Jump Gate Twist by Mark L. Van Name because I was waiting for the next two books of Destroyermen at the library, and they sent the last one first...and it was on the shelf in the aisle I walked into looking for something to read right goddamned now. And it was a Baen book.
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Re: Whatcha reading redux.

Postby Langenator » Wed Oct 21, 2015 1:50 pm

Captain Wheelgun wrote:Just started 'Son of the Black Sword' by Larry Correia. It's way different from his previous stuff, but it's been interesting so far.


Gah...I ordered it in dead tree version, so I'm still waiting...

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Re: Whatcha reading redux.

Postby Greg » Wed Oct 21, 2015 3:10 pm

Finished Strands of Sorrow last night.
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Re: Whatcha reading redux.

Postby BDK » Thu Oct 22, 2015 5:37 am

Just finished Man in a High Castle...

Phillip K Dick was obviously talented, but it seems to be more... Involved than his other work. There seemed to be a much more complex story there, compressed into something which approaches a rough sketch- but worth reading.

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Re: Whatcha reading redux.

Postby dfwmtx » Fri Oct 23, 2015 9:24 pm

BDK wrote:Just finished Man in a High Castle...

Phillip K Dick was obviously talented, but it seems to be more... Involved than his other work. There seemed to be a much more complex story there, compressed into something which approaches a rough sketch- but worth reading.


Read that in anticipation of the Amazon series?
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Re: Whatcha reading redux.

Postby Guncrazy » Sat Oct 24, 2015 4:53 pm

Recently read a couple of great books on abnormal sociology (sort of an oxymoron):

Sex Trouble, by Robert Stacy McCain ("The Other McCain"), and

SJWs Always Lie, by Vox Day

So, as a palate cleanser, I'm starting Larry Correia's latest series-starter, Son of the Black Sword.

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Re: Whatcha reading redux.

Postby SoupOrMan » Tue Oct 27, 2015 10:18 pm

Manalive, by G.K Chesterton. I've been on an early 20th century binge lately between Chesterton and Wodehouse.
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Re: Whatcha reading redux.

Postby BDK » Tue Oct 27, 2015 11:03 pm

Great combo!

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Postby Weetabix » Wed Oct 28, 2015 3:36 am

Memoirs of a Superfluous Man by Albert J. Nock concurrently with some collection of Heinlein stories.
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Re: Whatcha reading redux.

Postby Captain Wheelgun » Wed Oct 28, 2015 5:50 am

Just starting Hell's Foundations Quiver, the newest Safehold novel from David Weber.
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Re: Whatcha reading redux.

Postby SoupOrMan » Sat Nov 28, 2015 8:51 pm

Manalive! wasn't very good. The next work of Chesterton's that I picked up, The Flying Inn, could have been written this year and not 1914.
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Re: Whatcha reading redux.

Postby Darrell » Sun Nov 29, 2015 12:37 am

Presently reading The Wise Man's Fear, Rothfuss's second book in his Kingkiller Chronicle. It's good.
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Postby First Shirt » Sun Nov 29, 2015 2:19 am

The Last Stand of Fox Company. Marines in Korea, during the war.
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Postby MiddleAgedKen » Sun Nov 29, 2015 4:03 am

The Flying Inn and a fair bit of other Chesterton can be had free for Kindle right now (November 28).
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Re: Whatcha reading redux.

Postby evan price » Mon Nov 30, 2015 4:52 am

Started David Drake's "Leary" books.
So far slow and drab. Seems like a ripoff of a 17th century wooden ships & iron men type story retold as Sci-Fi.
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Re: Whatcha reading redux.

Postby Captain Wheelgun » Mon Nov 30, 2015 6:52 am

evan price wrote:Started David Drake's "Leary" books.
So far slow and drab. Seems like a ripoff of a 17th century wooden ships & iron men type story retold as Sci-Fi.

They get much better. And yes, Drake has stated that they are an homage to Patrick O'Brien's Aubrey / Maturin series. Also, he likes to work in plots from ancient history.
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Re: Whatcha reading redux.

Postby evan price » Mon Nov 30, 2015 2:42 pm

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evan price wrote:Started David Drake's "Leary" books.
So far slow and drab. Seems like a ripoff of a 17th century wooden ships & iron men type story retold as Sci-Fi.

They get much better. And yes, Drake has stated that they are an homage to Patrick O'Brien's Aubrey / Maturin series. Also, he likes to work in plots from ancient history.

That was exactly the vibe I was getting, the O'Brian books. When he got command of the seized ship I spontaneously thought ,"hmm, promoted to post-captain." Well, I finished the first & about to start the second.
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Re: Whatcha reading redux.

Postby g-man » Mon Nov 30, 2015 2:56 pm

Picked up a hard bound dead tree copy of Lone Survivor. I know, I know, should be required reading for .mil types. I hadn't gotten around to it yet. Haven't read any dead tree books in quite some time, it feels a bit weird, but also 'better'. Of course having gone almost completely digital means there aren't a couple of books stacked on my nightstand (nor is there a tower on my wife's side of the bed). That said, some things should really be printed.
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Re: Whatcha reading redux.

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evan price wrote:Started David Drake's "Leary" books.
So far slow and drab. Seems like a ripoff of a 17th century wooden ships & iron men type story retold as Sci-Fi.

They get much better. And yes, Drake has stated that they are an homage to Patrick O'Brien's Aubrey / Maturin series. Also, he likes to work in plots from ancient history.


I enjoyed the linkage to incidents that happened in classical Rome. Also the character development, The existence of sociopaths in the military and those who just kill to keep their "mates" alive. Clinging to the 'Pride" you have in your ancestry even though they were total dicks for the most part. Honor and loyalty still have value. Drake collected stuff from Classical Greece, the problems the Royal Navy had in Napoleonic times, and there is just that vibe you get in the writing of one who has seen the elephant.

I don't endorse too often because my taste are pretty low brow. I need bubble gum for my mind.

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Re: Whatcha reading redux.

Postby Weetabix » Mon Nov 30, 2015 4:03 pm

The Foundation Trilogy. I haven't read it in many years, so I thought I'd better refresh it since it's counted as a classic. Foundation and Empire is dragging sadly.
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Re: Whatcha reading redux.

Postby Vonz90 » Mon Nov 30, 2015 6:31 pm

Weetabix wrote:The Foundation Trilogy. I haven't read it in many years, so I thought I'd better refresh it since it's counted as a classic. Foundation and Empire is dragging sadly.


I can't read Asimov. Too boring and too full of himself.

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Re: Whatcha reading redux.

Postby Weetabix » Mon Nov 30, 2015 8:37 pm

I haven't noticed the "full of himself" yet. I figure I'll work my way through it. Foundation was interesting enough. I'm hoping that Second Foundation will redeem the trilogy.
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Re: Whatcha reading redux.

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Weetabix wrote:The Foundation Trilogy. I haven't read it in many years, so I thought I'd better refresh it since it's counted as a classic. Foundation and Empire is dragging sadly.

I've tried to read this for roughly 25 years. I have it in omnibus trade paperback. I get so far then I just can't stand it anymore and put it away. I think I got halfway through the second book and that's the farthest I've gotten.
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Re: Whatcha reading redux.

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evan price wrote:
Weetabix wrote:The Foundation Trilogy. I haven't read it in many years, so I thought I'd better refresh it since it's counted as a classic. Foundation and Empire is dragging sadly.

I've tried to read this for roughly 25 years. I have it in omnibus trade paperback. I get so far then I just can't stand it anymore and put it away. I think I got halfway through the second book and that's the farthest I've gotten.

That's where I stalled, but I persevered and finished the second last night. If the third goes the same way, I may not make it through.
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Re: Whatcha reading redux.

Postby dfwmtx » Tue Dec 01, 2015 6:23 pm

Alternatively reading through George MacDonald Fraser's "Flashman and the Redskins" (only him and Michael Crichton do historical fiction with notes, but Fraser's Flashman is positively brimming with them) and Robert Conroy's "Storm Front" (which is not alternate history, which is odd, and WTF? I thought he was dead and "Custer in Chains" and "Germanica" were his last two books, so where'd this come from?)
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Re: Whatcha reading redux.

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evan price wrote:
Weetabix wrote:The Foundation Trilogy. I haven't read it in many years, so I thought I'd better refresh it since it's counted as a classic. Foundation and Empire is dragging sadly.

I've tried to read this for roughly 25 years. I have it in omnibus trade paperback. I get so far then I just can't stand it anymore and put it away. I think I got halfway through the second book and that's the farthest I've gotten.

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Postby toad » Thu Dec 03, 2015 7:17 am

I remember reading it as a teenager. Now I probably couldn't stand it because I believe the basic premise of a math that could predict history is flawed. Way too many variables, the butter fly fart effect of Chaos theory seem to be in play. This I believe is a reason centralized control of economies fail

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toad wrote:I remember reading it as a teenager. Now I probably couldn't stand it because I believe the basic premise of a math that could predict history is flawed. Way too many variables, the butter fly fart effect of Chaos theory seem to be in play. This I believe is a reason centralized control of economies fail


Yeah this. It is basically a paean to mechanical determinism, which has pretty much been completely destroyed as a scientific concept but still holds lots of sway as a philosophical idea. Ironically many people who claim to be all sciency fall back on some measure of mechanical determinism even though the actual science of it doesn't work.

Paul Krugman is an Asimov fan, that tells you right there where his ideas lead.
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Postby Weetabix » Thu Dec 03, 2015 7:15 pm

I picked up Second Foundation, read just a bit, and when warding off a cat, dropped it on the floor. I don't have enough time in my life already. I think I'll leave it there.
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Re: Whatcha reading redux.

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Weetabix wrote:I picked up Second Foundation, read just a bit, and when warding off a cat, dropped it on the floor. I don't have enough time in my life already. I think I'll leave it there.


Weird, I remember the original Foundation trilogy as being relatively slender books that were fairly brisk reads, kind of like the three precurser novels. It was the 4th book in the 'trilogy' and beyond, where he went off the rails.

Anyway, Norman Friedman has done a series of design histories of different classes of US warships. I have the volumes on cruisers and destroyers and I've been rereading them in pieces now that they're no longer trapped in moving boxes.
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Re: Whatcha reading redux.

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Vonz90 wrote:
toad wrote:I remember reading it as a teenager. Now I probably couldn't stand it because I believe the basic premise of a math that could predict history is flawed. Way too many variables, the butter fly fart effect of Chaos theory seem to be in play. This I believe is a reason centralized control of economies fail


Yeah this. It is basically a paean to mechanical determinism, which is pretty much the been completely destroyed as a scientific concept but still holds lots of sway as a philosophical idea. Ironically many people who claim to be all sciency fall back on some measure of mechanical determinism even though the actual science of it doesn't work.

Paul Krugman is an Asimov fan, that tells you right there where his ideas lead.


Maybe it's been too long since I read them, but I recall that the 'psychohistory' math was presented as working purely on a stochastic level. The core of the entire Foundation trilogy seems to be about unusual individuals blowing up all the math.
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Re: Whatcha reading redux.

Postby Greg » Fri Dec 04, 2015 3:46 pm

Edit: was a double post that I can't remove. So I'll edit.

I've also been reading David Drake's series of the Elements. He does like making use of all the knowledge he's picked up on ancient Rome.
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Postby John_in_Longview » Fri Dec 04, 2015 3:48 pm

I just finished reading Rafael Sabatini's Captain Blood to my ten and eight year old sons. (I edited out the cursing and raping as I read it.) It held their interest and now they want to hear the other Captain Blood stories.

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Greg wrote:
Weetabix wrote:I picked up Second Foundation, read just a bit, and when warding off a cat, dropped it on the floor. I don't have enough time in my life already. I think I'll leave it there.


Weird, I remember the original Foundation trilogy as being relatively slender books that were fairly brisk reads, kind of like the three precurser novels. It was the 4th book in the 'trilogy' and beyond, where he went off the rails.

That's how I recalled it from my youth, too, but now it seems to be relatively slender books that are fairly dull reads with lots of meandering description that doesn't contribute. Excluding the first, that is.

From reading his introduction, it seems that he wrote the first book as a series of short stories in the pulps. His editor wanted a book, so they put the stories together and he wrote the necessary links to make it a book. Fans wanted more, so the editor pushed him into writing books he didn't really want to write. I'm guessing that's what made the second two less enjoyable. Perhaps the fans back then were starved for entertainment and didn't notice?
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Re: Whatcha reading redux.

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Weetabix wrote:
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Weetabix wrote:I picked up Second Foundation, read just a bit, and when warding off a cat, dropped it on the floor. I don't have enough time in my life already. I think I'll leave it there.


Weird, I remember the original Foundation trilogy as being relatively slender books that were fairly brisk reads, kind of like the three precurser novels. It was the 4th book in the 'trilogy' and beyond, where he went off the rails.

That's how I recalled it from my youth, too, but now it seems to be relatively slender books that are fairly dull reads with lots of meandering description that doesn't contribute. Excluding the first, that is.

From reading his introduction, it seems that he wrote the first book as a series of short stories in the pulps. His editor wanted a book, so they put the stories together and he wrote the necessary links to make it a book. Fans wanted more, so the editor pushed him into writing books he didn't really want to write. I'm guessing that's what made the second two less enjoyable. Perhaps the fans back then were starved for entertainment and didn't notice?


The 4th book and beyond were definitely that way, so much so that it was painfully obvious to teenaged me. The 4th book was bad enough that I stopped part-way.

'Foundation and ... Pants'
'Foundation and ... Um, My Earlier Robot Stories, Somehow'
'Foundation and ... Continued Royalty Checks, Because I Need the Money'
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Re: Whatcha reading redux.

Postby Vonz90 » Wed Dec 09, 2015 3:39 am

Greg wrote:
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toad wrote:I remember reading it as a teenager. Now I probably couldn't stand it because I believe the basic premise of a math that could predict history is flawed. Way too many variables, the butter fly fart effect of Chaos theory seem to be in play. This I believe is a reason centralized control of economies fail


Yeah this. It is basically a paean to mechanical determinism, which is pretty much the been completely destroyed as a scientific concept but still holds lots of sway as a philosophical idea. Ironically many people who claim to be all sciency fall back on some measure of mechanical determinism even though the actual science of it doesn't work.

Paul Krugman is an Asimov fan, that tells you right there where his ideas lead.


Maybe it's been too long since I read them, but I recall that the 'psychohistory' math was presented as working purely on a stochastic level. The core of the entire Foundation trilogy seems to be about unusual individuals blowing up all the math.


Sure, you are probably right on the details. All that comes out to though is a science fiction trick to get past the fact that it doesn't work.

If you look at it big picture though it is just a socialist wish list.

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Re: Whatcha reading redux.

Postby Greg » Mon Dec 14, 2015 5:41 pm

Just finished Warships After Washington.

I've had a strange fascination lately with the development of cruisers from the 1890s to the 1930s, and that book fits right in.
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Re: Whatcha reading redux.

Postby Weetabix » Tue Feb 02, 2016 5:12 pm

Just finished Monster Hunter Vendetta again.

Spoiler! :
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Postby Rich » Tue Feb 02, 2016 6:58 pm

Just finished re-reading Footfall by Niven/Pournelle in e-book format. Holds up surprisingly well.
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Postby Weetabix » Tue Feb 02, 2016 9:10 pm

Rich wrote:Just finished re-reading Footfall by Niven/Pournelle in e-book format. Holds up surprisingly well.

I love that book. I may need to dig it out again.
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dfwmtx wrote:I'm working my way through Lee Childs' Jack Reacher series. Just started book 4, "Running Blind".

Please give a short review of each. I've read some, not in any order. Some I liked, some were meh. It would be interesting to hear of other good ones to pick up.
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Postby Darrell » Tue Feb 02, 2016 10:53 pm

I'm finishing up 1177 BC-The Year Civilization Collapsed, by Eric H. Cline. Cheerful book about the collapse at the end of the Bronze Age, and whether the Sea Peoples really brought it on. Might have some lessons for modern society.

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Weetabix wrote:
dfwmtx wrote:I'm working my way through Lee Childs' Jack Reacher series. Just started book 4, "Running Blind".

Please give a short review of each. I've read some, not in any order. Some I liked, some were meh. It would be interesting to hear of other good ones to pick up.


Too busy reading. Finished book 4, onto book 5 "Echo Burning".

And anyways, any summary has to start first with "You gotta know Jack." Jack Reacher is what Chuck Norris aspires to be. If the Terminator and Sherlock Holmes had a baby, it would be Jack Reacher. If Jack Reacher were a D&D character, its creator would've just said "fuck dice rolling" and given him max stats in everything. If Jack Reacher were a character in comic books, he'd be essentially Frank Castle, the Punisher without the origin story of his family being killed. With a little bit of the Hulk mixed in. Don't get Jack angry; you'll get hurt bad if you make Jack angry. And you may inadvertently give him your car or donate the contents of your wallet to his walking-around fund. Jack Reacher is the non-super super-human. Dude's body is in top physical condition and ability, as well as his brain. And he's got the training to use both. Only thing is, the dude has some of the worst luck. Too often he's in the wrong place at the right time. The only people who have worse luck are the criminals to get in his way.

That's essentially each book so far. Somehow criminals or crime get in Jack's way, and he starts taking them down. Places change, anems change, crimes change. But each somehow gets Jack entangled in their schemes, and Jack is very adept at taking them down. Book 1: Jack is walking through a small Southern town, and gets arrested & charged with a crime he didn't commit. Jack figures out it must be to cover up some other crime, and then he finds out they also killed his brother. Jack proceeds to take the criminals down. Book 2: Jack Reacher gets kidnapped helping an injured woman out at the dry cleaners. Jack gets angry, proceeds to foil an evil militia dude's plot to revolt against the US. Book 3: Jack gets angry when he finds out scammers ripped off a couple by telling them their Vietnam POW-MIA son was alive, and foils the criminal scheme related to it. Book 4: Jack Reacher gets angry when he seems mobsters running a protection racket on the owner of the Italian place he's eating at, and gets picked up by the watching FBI. They force him to use their expertise to help on a case where ex-Army women are getting murdered. Jack is mightily pissed off, by both the FBI and the fact the killer killed someone he liked. Jack proceeds to find killer. Book 5: Jack gets involved with a woman wed to a Texas tax-dodging wife beater. Still reading it, and Jack is starting to get pissed off.
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Finished reading "Strands of Sorrow" by Ringo the other night. Slowly working my way through "Fry the Brain".
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I have most of the destroyer books in epub format. Gotta put some kind of reader on my phone. My life is suffering from a ashore age of chuinisms :lol:
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I just got a copy of "The Guns Of August". This will actually be the first book specifically on WWI that I have read.

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Kommander wrote:I just got a copy of "The Guns Of August". This will actually be the first book specifically on WWI that I have read.


It's good. If you want more, I recommend Keegan's The First World War and Massie's Dreadnought and Castles of Steel. Massie's books are rather like MacPherson's Battle Cry of Freedom in that it starts before the war and puts it in its political context. Keegan and Massie are both great writers. I think I've recommended these before, so apologies for repeating myself. Getting old. :D
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HTRN wrote: Gotta put some kind of reader on my phone.


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Was looking at Google play books, and it turns out, that its already installed on the tablet. Gotta check my smartphone..
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Just finished Corriea's "Son of the Black Sword" and it was good. Larry's found his voice.
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Just downloaded Kevin Hearne's latest Iron Druid book, "Staked". Currently relistening to the entire series, and right in the middle of Trapped. Luke Daniels does an awesome job of narrating.
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Postby dfwmtx » Tue Feb 09, 2016 7:58 pm

5th Jack Reacher book was basically Jack Reacher versus the racist rednecks...and a hit squad.

On to book 6, "Without Fail". I think it's gonna be Reacher saves the Veep.
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Postby evan price » Wed Feb 10, 2016 12:22 am

dfwmtx wrote:5th Jack Reacher book was basically Jack Reacher versus the racist rednecks...and a hit squad.

On to book 6, "Without Fail". I think it's gonna be Reacher saves the Veep.


Lee Child's UK homeland is very obvious from his shitty gun knowledge.
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Kommander wrote:I just got a copy of "The Guns Of August". This will actually be the first book specifically on WWI that I have read.


It's good. If you want more, I recommend Keegan's The First World War and Massie's Dreadnought and Castles of Steel. Massie's books are rather like MacPherson's Battle Cry of Freedom in that it starts before the war and puts it in its political context. Keegan and Massie are both great writers. I think I've recommended these before, so apologies for repeating myself. Getting old. :D


I added those to my list for next time. Can you explain what the difference between Massie's two books is? From what I can tell on is mostly about the battleship race leading up to the war while the other is about the naval war itself.

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Postby MiddleAgedKen » Thu Feb 11, 2016 7:57 pm

That's basically it, Kommander, but there's a lot of the political context too (especially in Dreadnought). Massie paints a fairly warty picture of Churchill in Castles of Steel, with regard to the campaign to force the Dardanelles.
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Postby Kommander » Thu Feb 11, 2016 8:32 pm

Yea Churchill, as great as he was in other aspects really should not have been calling the shots strategically. While there was plenty of blame to go around, no one seems to know how they would have pacified Constantinople Istanbul even if they had been able to force the straights.

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The other war and all that, but I think there is a reasonable degree of criticism that can be leveled Churchill relative to the "Strategic Vision" in WW2 as well. Once France fell, his strategy became to flop about and hope the US went to war.

I think that if he had offered a deal to Wilhelm Canaris for overthrowing Hitler (something like peace but Germany has to go back to the '39 borders in the west). When Canaris was asking for terms if the high command got rid of Hitler in '42/'43 all they got was "unconditional surrender". This basically made in untenable for them to do anything. I

do not believe this was in Britain's best interest. It was however very much in Stalin's interests because peace in the west would have put him one on one in a war he was not going to win. Considering how much we know that Stalin had infiltrated Britain (and the US) leadership, I do not think this was coincidence.

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I've started reading the "Spell Monger Series" by Terry Mancour on Kindle Unlimited. I thought it was just going to be another fantasy "opera" but it has an interesting amount of humor, and the author uses a knowledge of the Middle Ages to illustrate how feudal politics are in a sense, not all that different from modern times. " Curse all this paperwork the Duke's bureaucracy requires! Curse the bureaucracy!" , "Now, Now, without the clerks keeping track of who owes what to whom things would be even more chaotic than they are. Also if the Duke makes a mistake on tax policy he can blame it on a bureaucrat, execute or "demote" him and not lose his popularity with his vassals."

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Does your computer do Mike's voice too? :)

I seem to assign an "inner voice" to people whose writing I read often. I remember being quite surprised at CC's Fiesta some years ago that people's real voices corresponded quite closely to what I had imagined. Except CC himself, of course - when he gets into his mimicry routine - he can do so many... I haven't had the pleasure of meeting Mike yet, but I do have a voice for him!


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Have a look at these threads here too:

SeekHer's sniper book list

Suarez on the guerilla sniper and again


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I just finished reading: "The Secret Corps" - and it's a book which might scare the shiite out of you if you've been paying attention to what's going on around the nation (for former Marines, no explanation is necessary):

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I'm about halfway into the second book of Kratman's "Countdown" series. Finished reading the last Ringo zombie book a while ago.
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"Power Sources", "Operations Manual", and "M-1- Hazardous Energy Clearances" for my facility.

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308Mike wrote:
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Have a look at these threads here too:

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THANKS Denis (I needed a refresh)!!


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Recently read a decent illustrated history of US destroyers in WW2, and also a title in the West Point military history series about the Pacific War (that one was very good).

Currently rereading Friedman's US Destroyer design history.

The interrelations between org charts (and the internal politics they embody), doctrine and design are fascinating... not even to mention (national) politics and strategy.

We're really screwed in an outhouse. We were so much better off in the 30's, wiser, more realistic, better able to understand and adapt to the circumstances of a changing world. Our military procurement process was far superior then, too. (If any of that sounds like sarcasm, well I *wish* it was.)
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Greg, I wish you were wrong, but I KNOW you're not - and it's scary.
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Denis, thanks for the welcome back!!
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Postby Captain Wheelgun » Wed Feb 24, 2016 6:41 am

I've been re-reading Kratman's Legion del Cid series. I may be spending too much time there, though. When I watched a YouTube video of a flashmob doing 'Ode to Joy', I started singing 'F$ck the filthy Tauran Union' instead. :oops:

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A Short History of World War I by James L. Stokesbury.

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SoupOrMan wrote:A Short History of World War I by James L. Stokesbury.

Because you never know when one of our elected officials will turn out to be an inbred Austrian archduke.


The more I read about WWI the more it becomes like watching a horror movie. "No Prime Minister don't split up and investigate the basement alone sacrifice your empire and millions of lives for Belgian neutrality."

Side Note: Despite the wars horrors and what it wrought upon the world all through the 20th century it is inaccurate to say that no one won WWI. It is quite clear that the one and only winner was the United States.

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Kommander wrote:
SoupOrMan wrote:A Short History of World War I by James L. Stokesbury.

Because you never know when one of our elected officials will turn out to be an inbred Austrian archduke.


The more I read about WWI the more it becomes like watching a horror movie. "No Prime Minister don't split up and investigate the basement alone sacrifice your empire and millions of lives for Belgian neutrality."

Side Note: Despite the wars horrors and what it wrought upon the world all through the 20th century it is inaccurate to say that no one won WWI. It is quite clear that the one and only winner was the United States.


Japan made out VERY well indeed, which came back to bite everyone in the ass in several different ways.
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308Mike wrote:I just finished reading: "The Secret Corps" - and it's a book which might scare the shiite out of you if you've been paying attention to what's going on around the nation (for former Marines, no explanation is necessary):

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Just bought this and started reading it. Thanks for the recommendation. It is rare that an author gets things right in The Corps.
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The Book of Judges in the Old Testament. Kind of dry.
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Weetabix wrote:The Book of Judges in the Old Testament. Kind of dry.


I am leading my small group at church through a study of Judges. Timothy Keller's Judges For You is a good entry level commentary to the book.

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Postby Greg » Thu Feb 25, 2016 8:51 pm

Just finished No Going Back, the latest Jon & Lobo book from Mark Van Name. Good story, and very satisfying and necessary character development.
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Postby Netpackrat » Wed Mar 09, 2016 11:43 am

Burned through Kratman's Countdown series recently, on to Hard Magic by Correia... I'm not usually into magic type stuff, but I figured coming from Larry it wasn't going to suck, at least. About halfway into it and I have not been disappointed so far.
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The Wind in the Willows. Sometimes you need to take a break, and return to the classics.
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Came across something that made me think of a short story I couldn't remember the name of.....

Turns out it's Eric Frank Russell's 'Minor Ingredient'.

Reread that and several other gems I came across in my fiction anthologies while I was searching.

Like Randall Garrett's 'The Highest Treason', Poul Anderson's 'Cold Victory' and 'No Truce With Kings' and Tom Godwin's 'Too Soon to Die'.
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Unintended Consequences by John Ross. I'd forgotten what a good read it is. I'm still in the buildup part - I think Henry's on safari.
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Re: Whatcha reading redux.

Postby dfwmtx » Fri Mar 25, 2016 4:58 pm

Jack Reacher #10, "The Hard Way".
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Re: Whatcha reading redux.

Postby Vonz90 » Sun Mar 27, 2016 12:05 am

John Locke's Second Treaties on Government.

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Re: Whatcha reading redux.

Postby 308Mike » Sun Mar 27, 2016 2:29 am

TheArmsman wrote:
308Mike wrote:I just finished reading: "The Secret Corps" - and it's a book which might scare the shiite out of you if you've been paying attention to what's going on around the nation (for former Marines, no explanation is necessary):

http://www.amazon.com/The-Secret-Corps- ... 1511775793

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Just bought this and started reading it. Thanks for the recommendation. It is rare that an author gets things right in The Corps.

Have you finished the book yet? The ending is quite the twist from what you may have expected. I've re-read the last several chapters many times now, and still find them interesting.
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Re: Whatcha reading redux.

Postby Weetabix » Mon Mar 28, 2016 3:14 pm

Vonz90 wrote:John Locke's Second Treaties on Government.

It's about time for me to read that one, I think.
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Re: Whatcha reading redux.

Postby evan price » Sun Apr 24, 2016 8:04 am

Read a couple of Cherie Priest books about Lizzie Borden VS Cthulhu type monsters. Very Lovecraft. Worth a look.

Just started and finished the first of the "Iron Druid" books by Kevin Hearne. He piles on the Tuahtha De Danann lore pretty thickly... but then I guess that IS what the series is about, eh wot?
The first one started a bit slow but then I recall the first MHI book started slowly too. If it matters I already have #2 & #3 on the table so it's turning out to be pretty good...but no Jim Butcher. Yet.

At least so far it easily beats out the David Coe "Justiss Fearson" series- which wouldn't be hard to do for anyone with talent.
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Re: Whatcha reading redux.

Postby Captain Wheelgun » Sun Apr 24, 2016 8:22 am

I've just started 'Darkship Thieves' by Sarah Hoyt. No opinion so far.
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Re: Whatcha reading redux.

Postby Weetabix » Mon Apr 25, 2016 3:02 pm

Reread Ringo's Hymn Before Battle this weekend. Now I'm in Gust Front.

Both as good as I remembered, but I find myself a little more impatient for the story to continue ILO Clancy-like description.
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Re: Whatcha reading redux.

Postby MiddleAgedKen » Tue Apr 26, 2016 1:20 am

Just finished Marko Kloos's Chains of Command. Pacing excellent, action very good, characterization good as always, but "curt/curtly" needs a vacation. :)
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Re: Whatcha reading redux.

Postby Greg » Tue Apr 26, 2016 4:59 am

Reading Thomas Sowell's Intellectuals and Society.

Waiting to get to the part that isn't 'yeah that's obvious'. As always, articulate, well-researched, and not enough people are paying attention.
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Re: Whatcha reading redux.

Postby Rich Jordan » Sat May 07, 2016 7:10 pm

I stopped at Half-Price books today (first time in a while; the books are not half price; they charge through the nose of used books and pay a pittance for them), but I found Triplanetary, by E.E. "Doc" Smith, the prequel to the Lensman series. My copy of that one had fallen apart and even the tape holding it together had aged and fallen off with use... I love these books!

So tonight I'm taking a break and rereading Triplanetary and more than likely starting a new cycle through the entire Lensman and Skylark series.

By Klono's tungsten teeth and curving carballoy claws I will not be deterred!

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Re: Whatcha reading redux.

Postby MiddleAgedKen » Sat May 07, 2016 10:16 pm

Rich Jordan wrote:By Klono's tungsten teeth and curving carballoy claws I will not be deterred!


QX, ace. Enjoy 'em with a 22-ounce Delmonico and some Venusian superla mushrooms. :)
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Re: Whatcha reading redux.

Postby toad » Sun May 08, 2016 3:25 am

308Mike wrote:I just finished reading: "The Secret Corps" - and it's a book which might scare the shiite out of you if you've been paying attention to what's going on around the nation (for former Marines, no explanation is necessary):

http://www.amazon.com/The-Secret-Corps- ... 1511775793

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Well I've downloaded it as a kindle book. I almost hesitate to start it as I've found the military science fiction that incorporates the current affairs to be something of downer at times, and sometime makes me want to put on the special vest and take a road trip. However since the characters are US Marines I can expect a certain amount of humor inadvertent and other wise since the old saying is, " You can always tell a Marine but you just can't tell him much." :twisted:

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Re: Whatcha reading redux.

Postby First Shirt » Tue May 10, 2016 3:43 am

Just finished Greyfriars Bobby which was a free Kindle download. Damn, it's dusty in here!
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