Yet another Airbus crash.

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Kommander wrote:Well it does say something for the safety of flight when they only way planes are lost is when something really weird happens or they are just flat out shot down. It seems like all the "regular" causes of plane crashed have been more or less eliminated, leaving only the really weird ways left to crash a plane.
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Read the voice recorder transcript from the Air France meets Atlantic fiasco - and you'll be affraid. Three pilots failed to look at there altimeter and pitch and ignored the audible alarm repeating "stall--stall-stall" over the course of several minutes while junior continued to pull back on the yoke... if that ain't enough watch the NTSB reinactment of (I think it was a PanAm flight) going down in the everglades cause they got distracted by a burnt out bulb on the landing gear lock indicator, bumped the autopilot off and didn't check their altimeter until they were at 100ft. Last words were something like "now there's a problem with the altimeter."...
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JustinR wrote:It's looking like a pilot suicide where he decided to take everyone else with him. Bastard.
Question is, "Goodbye cruel world" suicide or "Allah ackbar" suicide?
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http://www.foxnews.com/world/2015/03/26 ... ocked-out/
Brice Robin, a Marseilles-based prosecutor told Reuters the evidence from the cockpit voice recorder, one of two "black boxes" and the only one recovered so far, seems to show the co-pilot, identified as Andreas Lubitz, refusing to open the cabin door as he began the eight-minute descent "manually and intentionally." Screams can be heard from passengers in the final seconds of their lives, officials said. The Airbus 320, which was en route from Barcelona to Dusseldorf, crashed into the mountain at 435 miles per hour, officials said.

Germanwings, a low-budget carrier operated by Lufthansa, did not release the name of the pilot. Robin insisted in a news conference Thursday morning that Lubitz, a German from the central city of Montabaur, was not a known terrorist.

"A terrorist?" he said in response to a question. "Absolutely not."

Still, it was the co-pilot's "intention to destroy this plane," Robin said. The recorder captured his normal breathing patterns, suggesting Lubitz was not incapacitated.
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I wonder if it is time to consider bringing back the flight engineer position. The newer aircraft don't require one, but there's something to be said for another body in the cockpit.
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Netpackrat wrote:I wonder if it is time to consider bringing back the flight engineer position. The newer aircraft don't require one, but there's something to be said for another body in the cockpit.
Definitely. Once again proving that the 707 is still 50 years ahead of its time.
Along with the need to do a better job weeding out the crazy-ass f**ks.
One lunatard out of 12M takeoffs is a nice stat, but it's cold comfort to relatives of the victims.
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Make a new rule: "Solo occupancy of the flight deck is not allowed. If the Captain or F/O needs to pee, a cabin attendant must take their place."
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Catbird wrote:Make a new rule: "Solo occupancy of the flight deck is not allowed. If the Captain or F/O needs to pee, a cabin attendant must take their place."
Just heard on the radio that Air Canada will now require at least two people in the cockpit at all times. Radio said that's a current requirement in the US.
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Weetabix wrote: Just heard on the radio that Air Canada will now require at least two people in the cockpit at all times. Radio said that's a current requirement in the US.
I am pretty sure that is incorrect. If one pilot has to take a leak, the other generally has to put on his oxygen mask while he is alone in the cockpit.
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§ 121.543 Flight crewmembers at controls.
(a) Except as provided in paragraph (b) of this section, each required flight crewmember on flight deck duty must remain at the assigned duty station with seat belt fastened while the aircraft is taking off or landing, and while it is en route.
(b) A required flight crewmember may leave the assigned duty station—
(1) If the crewmember's absence is necessary for the performance of duties in connection with the operation of the aircraft;
(2) If the crewmember's absence is in connection with physiological needs; or
(3) If the crewmember is taking a rest period, and relief is provided—
(i) In the case of the assigned pilot in command during the en route cruise portion of the flight, by a pilot who holds an airline transport pilot certificate and an appropriate type rating, is currently qualified as pilot in command or second in command, and is qualified as pilot in command of that aircraft during the en route cruise portion of the flight. A second in command qualified to act as a pilot in command en route need not have completed the following pilot in command requirements: The 6-month recurrent flight training required by § 121.433(c)(1)(iii); the operating experience required by § 121.434; the takeoffs and landings required by § 121.439; the line check required by § 121.440; and the 6-month proficiency check or simulator training required by § 121.441(a)(1); and
(ii) In the case of the assigned second in command, by a pilot qualified to act as second in command of that aircraft during en route operations. However, the relief pilot need not meet the recent experience requirements of § 121.439(b).
§ 121.333 Supplemental oxygen for emergency descent and for first aid; turbine engine powered airplanes with pressurized cabins.
(a) General. When operating a turbine engine powered airplane with a pressurized cabin, the certificate holder shall furnish oxygen and dispensing equipment to comply with paragraphs (b) through (e) of this section in the event of cabin pressurization failure.
(b) Crewmembers. When operating at flight altitudes above 10,000 feet, the certificate holder shall supply enough oxygen to comply with § 121.329, but not less than a two-hour supply for each flight crewmember on flight deck duty. The required two hours supply is that quantity of oxygen necessary for a constant rate of descent from the airplane's maximum certificated operating altitude to 10,000 feet in ten minutes and followed by 110 minutes at 10,000 feet. The oxygen required in the event of cabin pressurization failure by § 121.337 may be included in determining the supply required for flight crewmembers on flight deck duty.
(c) Use of oxygen masks by flight crewmembers.
(1) When operating at flight altitudes above flight level 250, each flight crewmember on flight deck duty must be provided with an oxygen mask so designed that it can be rapidly placed on his face from its ready position, properly secured, sealed, and supplying oxygen upon demand; and so designed that after being placed on the face it does not prevent immediate communication between the flight crewmember and other crewmembers over the airplane intercommunication system. When it is not being used at flight altitudes above flight level 250, the oxygen mask must be kept in condition for ready use and located so as to be within the immediate reach of the flight crewmember while at his duty station.
(2) When operating at flight altitudes above flight level 250, one pilot at the controls of the airplane shall at all times wear and use an oxygen mask secured, sealed, and supplying oxygen, in accordance with the following:
(i) The one pilot need not wear and use an oxygen mask at or below the following flight levels if each flight crewmember on flight deck duty has a quick-donning type of oxygen mask that the certificate holder has shown can be placed on the face from its ready position, properly secured, sealed, and supplying oxygen upon demand, with one hand and within five seconds:
(A) For airplanes having a passenger seat configuration of more than 30 seats, excluding any required crewmember seat, or a payload capacity of more than 7,500 pounds, at or below flight level 410.
(B) For airplanes having a passenger seat configuration of less than 31 seats, excluding any required crewmember seat, and a payload capacity of 7,500 pounds or less, at or below flight level 350.
(ii) Whenever a quick-donning type of oxygen mask is to be used under this section, the certificate holder shall also show that the mask can be put on without disturbing eye glasses and without delaying the flight crewmember from proceeding with his assigned emergency duties. The oxygen mask after being put on must not prevent immediate communication between the flight crewmember and other crewmembers over the airplane intercommunication system.
(3) Notwithstanding paragraph (c)(2) of this section, if for any reason at any time it is necessary for one pilot to leave his station at the controls of the airplane when operating at flight altitudes above flight level 250, the remaining pilot at the controls shall put on and use his oxygen mask until the other pilot has returned to his duty station.
(4) Before the takeoff of a flight, each flight crewmember shall personally preflight his oxygen equipment to insure that the oxygen mask is functioning, fitted properly, and connected to appropriate supply terminals, and that the oxygen supply and pressure are adequate for use.
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