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good, accurate, inexpensive 7.62

Postby cneeljr » Fri Sep 12, 2008 2:30 am

I really want M1A, but $1600 or so is more than I want to pay. What is my best cheap option?

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Re: good, accurate, inexpensive 7.62

Postby rightisright » Fri Sep 12, 2008 2:57 am

Well, if you aren't married to a semi-auto, Savage bolt guns are very highly regarded. http://savagearms.com/11f.htm They can be found for under $500.

For a semi, you may want to consider a Saiga: http://gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.a ... =109160981 or for a bit more cash, a BAR: http://gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.a ... =109487403

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Re: good, accurate, inexpensive 7.62

Postby cu74 » Fri Sep 12, 2008 3:38 am

You can get an M1 Garand (the M1A before improvements) for about half that price through the CMP. You will have to shoot the slightly more "manly" .30-06 instead of 7.63 (.308), but they are both fun. There were .308 Garands built but their rarity puts them up in the M1A price range - if you "need" the 7.62 and "need" semi-auto, you're going to pay for it.

Some companies make AR-10 variants in .308, but I think the prices are pretty high. I don't know much about them - someone who knows will be along shortly ;) .
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Re: good, accurate, inexpensive 7.62

Postby clyde621 » Fri Sep 12, 2008 3:41 am

I have been looking around and found the DPMS 308 for as low as $899. Even used are over $800. ;)
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Re: good, accurate, inexpensive 7.62

Postby Darrell » Fri Sep 12, 2008 3:44 am

Dittos on the Saiga if you're set on a semi-auto, but as NPR or someone pointed out in another thread, they're not as cheap as they used to be. A $300+ gun has become a $500 gun.
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Re: good, accurate, inexpensive 7.62

Postby AZMARK » Fri Sep 12, 2008 3:50 am

Your best cheap option is going to be the Saiga. Next is taking your chances with the crack monkey's and getting a CETME or a FAL. Finally, you a have the various AR types and the M1's.

Good, accurate, inexpensive: pick two. :)
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Re: good, accurate, inexpensive 7.62

Postby cneeljr » Fri Sep 12, 2008 5:02 am

Thanks for your ideas. I had forgotten about M1 Garand; down-loaded the forms, and will mail them tomorrow. Excellent idea!

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Postby cneeljr » Fri Sep 12, 2008 5:04 am

Next question. Can the M1 be modified, at a reasonable price, to use a box magazine?

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Re: good, accurate, inexpensive 7.62

Postby Kommander » Fri Sep 12, 2008 5:49 am

J&G just got some new CETMEs in. The previous batch of CETMEs made by CIA (Century) did not have that great of a reputation. If you got a good one they were supposed to be pretty damn good rifles for the price. However not all of them are good, and some were pretty bad. However these look to be better made than the older ones, and still at a really good price. One of the best reasons to go with a CETME/HKG3 or FAL is that the the mags are incredibly cheap. Where AK and AR mags are at about $15 right now where G3 mags are $3-$6 and FALS 10-15 for the basic ones.

If I was going to get a .308 rifle I would look at FALs. There are a few options here. Anything with a Imbel receiver should be good, even the CIA guns. For new made guns I would look at DSAs. Atlantic Firearms has bucketloads of FALS. Infact they have just about all the various .308 rifle options you could want and are supposed to be really good to buy from, both price and service wise. If I wanted a FAL right now I would probably get the basic DSA FAL from Atlantic Firearms.

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Postby cneeljr » Fri Sep 12, 2008 11:01 am

Thanks for all the info.

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Re: good, accurate, inexpensive 7.62

Postby Whirlibird » Fri Sep 12, 2008 11:21 am

Not a fan of the Saiga's, but that's just me.

The G3 copies are fair to excellent. If you want an excellent one, the PTR-91 is equal or slightly better than the original H&K. Check Atlantic Firearms for them.

In a FAL, right now, DSA is the best manufactured out there. Good QC and service.
It gives me the shakes to think of paying that much for a FAL though. Parts kits are still available reasonably, the latest batch have cut barrels though. There's a couple of vendors (on gunbroker) that are selling the cut barrel kits with 5 compliance parts for just over $200 or so. Using a DSA ($450+ if you can find one) or a current Entreprise Arms receiver ($350) gives you 6 compliance parts and using a US made gas piston (recommended regardless) and a DSA made barrel, you have enough parts to keep the flash hider installed, most places.

My personal choice is the FAL, I've built a number of them and I can build one in an evening, except the re-finish. Minimal tools to build and repair them, they're built to last and then some.

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Re: good, accurate, inexpensive 7.62

Postby Netpackrat » Sat Sep 13, 2008 2:38 am

Define accurate. A .308 Saiga will shoot with a run of the mill M1A, FAL, G3, etc. An accurized M1A will have the Saiga for lunch, but it will cost a whole lot more than the $500 or so for the .308 Saiga. If you want to buy a ton of magazines, go with the FAL or G3 clones. Weak point of the Saiga is still the magazine situation; they are all plastic, and 20 rounders are $45-$50 each, but at least they are readily available now. Contrast that with $3-$6 for G3 mags, and $12 FAL mags.
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Re: good, accurate, inexpensive 7.62

Postby Darrell » Sat Sep 13, 2008 2:55 am

DSA FALs are not cheap.
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Re: good, accurate, inexpensive 7.62

Postby Rich Jordan » Wed Sep 17, 2008 4:45 am

M1 Garands can be converted to 7.62x51 relatively easily. You replace the barrel (usually sold slightly short-chambered so a smith will need to finish ream the chamber), and ideally install a spacer inside the well (to keep the shorter cartridges from sliding forward). The gas port is a little bigger, and an adjustable gas plug is well worth considering.

This was a very popular conversion a few years ago when the 7.62x51 ammo was cheap and deep; not so much now that M2 ball from CMP is cheaper. A lot of rack grade CMP rifles with worn out barrels were converted. I almost did it to my parts Garand, but the surplus price hikes convinced me otherwise.

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Re: good, accurate, inexpensive 7.62

Postby Kommander » Wed Sep 17, 2008 7:00 am

Whirlibird can you offer some more information on building a FAL or point me in the direction of some. That sounds like a really interesting project.

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Re: good, accurate, inexpensive 7.62

Postby Netpackrat » Wed Sep 17, 2008 9:07 am

You might see if you can track down KBarrett and pick his brain too; he posted a series of articles about his Imbel FAL build on one of the previous forums. I think the FAL kits have mostly dried up by now though.
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Re: good, accurate, inexpensive 7.62

Postby Kommander » Wed Sep 17, 2008 2:20 pm

A search on gunbroker reveals a good number of FAL kits. They are not as cheap as the AK kits, and a few of them are a bit rough, but they are available.

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Re: good, accurate, inexpensive 7.62

Postby Netpackrat » Wed Sep 17, 2008 5:21 pm

Yeah, I was looking at retailers. You'll probably be able to find them on Gunbroker for a while. Heck, even a Romy AK kit is going for around $200 these days.
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Re: good, accurate, inexpensive 7.62

Postby Jered » Sun Sep 28, 2008 8:43 pm

uhhh, pick two?
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Re: good, accurate, inexpensive 7.62

Postby Combat Controller » Sun Sep 28, 2008 9:07 pm

How much are you willing to spend? I know $1600 is out, but is $800 in your range? I would not get hung up on mag prices if the difference is $10, look at the gun you are getting and the price.
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Re: good, accurate, inexpensive 7.62

Postby Fill » Mon Sep 29, 2008 2:18 pm

I've been really happy with my PTR-91. Sub-MOA 7.62, got it on sale for $600.

PTR is crazy-reliable, uses the rolling-locker extractor.

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Re: good, accurate, inexpensive 7.62

Postby Darrell » Mon Sep 29, 2008 2:31 pm

Hey Fill, welcome back! Dittos on the PTR, mine rocks and eats anything.
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Re: good, accurate, inexpensive 7.62

Postby Combat Controller » Mon Sep 29, 2008 8:50 pm

Hey Fill old buddy, you should call me sometime!
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Re: good, accurate, inexpensive 7.62

Postby Netpackrat » Mon Sep 29, 2008 9:07 pm

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Re: good, accurate, inexpensive 7.62

Postby 308Mike » Wed Oct 01, 2008 1:58 am

Netpackrat wrote:Q: What do you call a man with no arms and no legs at the bottom of a hole?


Useless.

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Re: good, accurate, inexpensive 7.62

Postby cneeljr » Sat Oct 04, 2008 9:17 pm

:D Well, what I have done is buy a 30-06 instead, a CMP M1 Garand! It's an International Harvester, service grade; it is beautiful. Arrived yesterday. I haven't shot it yet. I may get out to Arizona middle of October to shoot at the big match. For $617.50 delivered, I am happy, for now. :D


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