Used shotguns, Rem 870s or Mossberg 500s

The place for beginners, or anyone else, to talk about gun, gear, and shooting topics with a minimum of jargon and/or geekery. The only stupid question is the one you don't ask that blows up in your face later.
Spells

Used shotguns, Rem 870s or Mossberg 500s

Postby Spells » Thu Sep 11, 2008 7:08 am

My HD defense options are limited until Heller works it's way through the bigger cities, and I was considering a 12 ga shotgun. At a gun store with a rather uncooperative sales guy, I asked about the benefits of purchasing a used shotgun (which he does not carry, and this may have been the problem). He said they are rugged and last forever, so buying new makes more sense. Well, if they're rugged and last forever, doing the opposite makes more sense, it seemed to me.

Does picking up a used shotgun from someplace like CDNN make sense, or would that be a mistake? I am looking for a general purpose pump shotgun with home defense as the primary consideration.

TIA

User avatar
mekender
Probably Unemployed
Posts: 13189
Joined: Tue Aug 19, 2008 10:31 pm
Contact:

Re: Used shotguns, Rem 870s or Mossberg 500s

Postby mekender » Thu Sep 11, 2008 7:18 am

either of the models you listed will shoot more rounds than you can afford in your lifetime... cant go wrong with either...

personal preference is the remington because of where the safety is located compared to the mossberg
“I no longer need to run as a Presidential Candidate for the Socialist Party. The Democrat Party has adopted our platform.” - Norman Thomas, a six time candidate for president for the Socialist Party, 1944

User avatar
First Shirt
Active Shooter
Posts: 4258
Joined: Tue Aug 19, 2008 12:32 am
Location: Sweet Home Alabama

Re: Used shotguns, Rem 870s or Mossberg 500s

Postby First Shirt » Thu Sep 11, 2008 11:45 am

My preference is for the Mossberg, mainly because of where the safety is located. Being a lefty, the tang safety makes more sense to me, and is easier to find in the dark. The downside is that it doesn't lend itself as well to a pistol-grip buttstock.
But there ain't many troubles that a man caint fix, with seven hundred dollars and a thirty ought six."
Lindy Cooper Wisdom

User avatar
SeekHer
On a list somewhere
Posts: 2286
Joined: Fri Aug 15, 2008 10:27 am
Location: Manitoba, Canada

Re: Used shotguns, Rem 870s or Mossberg 500s

Postby SeekHer » Thu Sep 11, 2008 3:55 pm

Get a good, short barreled double shotgun, called a "Coach Gun" or a "Lupara" like the Sicilian Mafia guys always carried...lot handier even with same size barrels because the receiver is that much shorter, has instant choice of choke or shot preference, with exposed hammers you can keep it loaded with no spring tension, hammers act as a visual check to see if it is safe and you can feel their position in the dark, with practice you can reload quite quickly--check out some of the Cowboy Action meets to see real speed and the design really hasn't changed in over 200 years--why mess with perfection?

Image
There is a certain type of mentality that thinks if you make certain inanimate objects illegal their criminal misuse will disappear!

Damn the TSA and Down with the BATF(u)E!
Support the J P F O to "Give them the Boot"!!

User avatar
HTRN
Probably Unemployed
Posts: 10676
Joined: Wed Aug 20, 2008 4:05 am
Location: Under your bed with a knife
Contact:

Re: Used shotguns, Rem 870s or Mossberg 500s

Postby HTRN » Thu Sep 11, 2008 4:11 pm

My money goes to the 870 - you can buy a riot barrel length model from CDNN for $200 bucks or so.


HTRN
EGO partum , proinde EGO sum

Describing what HTRN does as "antics" is like describing the wreck of the Titanic as "a minor boating incident" ~ First Shirt

Interdum feror cupidine partium magnarum Europae vincendarum

User avatar
SeekHer
On a list somewhere
Posts: 2286
Joined: Fri Aug 15, 2008 10:27 am
Location: Manitoba, Canada

Re: Used shotguns, Rem 870s or Mossberg 500s

Postby SeekHer » Thu Sep 11, 2008 4:27 pm

Oh, and I forgot, buying used is probably the best way to go and so long as the springs, triggers and firing pins/hammer(s) work that's all that matters...Any well made "modern" (within 60 years) shotgun's steel will be good enough to withstand a million rounds or more so I don't think you will or the previous owner(s) ever had harmed it...Mild surface rust can be easily taken care of with some steel wool and oil, minor dings and scratches to the stock can be steamed out or filled with putty (although I believe they add character to the gun) and they will, of course, lessen the asking price...

Buying new is nice as it gives you a warranty but if the gun doesn't break within 5 to 10 trips to the range then it probably won't after the 100th visit either so other then the pride of showing off a pristine gun and bragging of how much extra you paid for it, buying new isn't the way to go! Had you wanted a newly released model instead of ones that have literally millions of each out that would be a different scenario and you would no other choice then to buy new...

Both are good shotguns...Mossberg also has the 590 but there are other makers out there that you can get good deals on...Ithaca 37, Browning BPS, Benelli, Franchi, Winchester--I'm partial to the first two although I really do hate pumps...If you're a lefty then the variety is very limited but that's why downward ejection is so nice, no husks flying past your nose and much easier to collect afterwards...

If you don’t like recoil so much there is always the semi auto that will use some of the spent gases to recycle the bolt for you…All but Mossberg & Ithaca, of the major makers make semis…

One thing to really consider is stock fit--actually it is the major thing to consider...Shoulder the various guns and the one that fits you the best is the one to buy…it’s amazing what a silly little millimeter will do to the fit of a gun…If it fits better , you’ll hit better
There is a certain type of mentality that thinks if you make certain inanimate objects illegal their criminal misuse will disappear!

Damn the TSA and Down with the BATF(u)E!
Support the J P F O to "Give them the Boot"!!

User avatar
clyde621
Loose Cannon
Posts: 555
Joined: Tue Aug 19, 2008 3:43 am
Location: NC
Contact:

Re: Used shotguns, Rem 870s or Mossberg 500s

Postby clyde621 » Thu Sep 11, 2008 11:31 pm

I am partial to the 870, just am. Second on my list is the Ithaca 37 with down ejection. I am a southpaw so nothing not to like. Just my $.02 ;)
Behind the ostensible government sits enthroned an invisible government owing no allegiance and acknowledging no responsibility to the people.
Theodore Roosevelt

User avatar
cu74
Trigger Junkie
Posts: 1633
Joined: Tue Aug 19, 2008 12:35 am
Location: Colorado

Re: Used shotguns, Rem 870s or Mossberg 500s

Postby cu74 » Fri Sep 12, 2008 12:20 am

I don't think you will go wrong with either the Remington or the Mossberg. I have a used Mossberg for in-house social work, just because I found it at a good price before I found a Remington. (The location of the safety isn't an issue for me.)
Jim Dozier - Straight, but not narrow...
“A man can never have too much red wine, too many books, or too much ammunition.” - Rudyard Kipling.

User avatar
Mud_Dog
Trigger Junkie
Posts: 1223
Joined: Tue Aug 19, 2008 2:21 am
Location: Fayette-nam, NC

Re: Used shotguns, Rem 870s or Mossberg 500s

Postby Mud_Dog » Fri Sep 12, 2008 2:35 am

SeekHer wrote:If you don’t like recoil so much there is always the semi auto that will use some of the spent gases to recycle the bolt for you…All but Mossberg & Ithaca, of the major makers make semis…


Mossberg does make Semi-autos, they just don't work very well.

The biggest issue with buying used is part(s) may be worn out or broken. Also I believe the guarantee may not extend to the second owner of the firearm, and you never know what the last guy did that may have voided the warranty.

Remember there's usually a good reason behind someone selling their firearms, mostly it's because they need money/don't want it anymore. However there are many out there that are broken and the previous owner didn't want to fix it so he sold it. I've seen quite a few of these.

Just make sure you look it over before buying, or at least have a guarantee from the place you purchased it.

[shameless plug]If you buy from one major outfitter they have to be checked out by a 'smith before being sold...jus' sayin' is all.[/shameless plug]
Obamalypse, Part II: The Armening. (-NPR)

User avatar
Combat Controller
Superuser
Posts: 4861
Joined: Thu Aug 14, 2008 1:03 am
Location: Central Texas, mostly.

Re: Used shotguns, Rem 870s or Mossberg 500s

Postby Combat Controller » Fri Sep 12, 2008 9:18 am

Six of one, half a dozen of the other. Both are good, go with what feels right. I have only one ever bought a new shotgun, and I have purchased over 15. I prefer the Remington 870, but any one will do practically. I like pawnshops as I have paid between $60-180 for various models.

As for the 870, I know of one with 1.5 million rounds and only two repairs. No joke.
Winner of the prestigious Автомат Калашникова образца 1947 года award for excellence in rural travel.

User avatar
Whirlibird
Trigger Junkie
Posts: 1180
Joined: Wed Aug 20, 2008 12:58 am

Re: Used shotguns, Rem 870s or Mossberg 500s

Postby Whirlibird » Fri Sep 12, 2008 11:06 am

Between the two choices? The 870.

I've seen a couple worn out 500's, it took 20+ years of ammo, and a whole lot of it at that but it has happened.

The 870's seem to wear in, get sloppy and stop wearing for the most part.
The ejectors on the express models have an annoying tendency to come loose more often than the same part in the Wingmaster models.
The Wingmasters will be smoother operating so if there's a choice between the WM and the Express model, the WM gets the nod.

However I've got a Mossy/Maverick 8 round scattergun in my patrol car right now, set up as a less lethal scattergun.
Right next to it is an Ithaca 37 loaded with 00, I'm the oddity in the dept. I carry the Ithaca so there's no mistake in which gun I grab, lethal or less-lethal.
The Sgt carries an 590 and the 2 other cars have off-brand 500's that I cut back and put Knoxx stocks on.

I just prefer the Ithaca and it's feel and operation. It confuses everybody else so I get it, not that I'm complaining. Got a stripped 37 receiver at home that I'm gonna rebuild one of these days. However if a good 870 comes along, I'd pick it up also.

I'm a bit of a scattergun (pump) snob for my own uses, I just don't like the Winchester products, they don't feel right and won't pattern for me. Most of the rest fall into the 'eh' category. They work, but not for me.

User avatar
Combat Controller
Superuser
Posts: 4861
Joined: Thu Aug 14, 2008 1:03 am
Location: Central Texas, mostly.

Re: Used shotguns, Rem 870s or Mossberg 500s

Postby Combat Controller » Fri Sep 12, 2008 11:39 pm

I love my Ithicas, but they stay in the safe while the remingtons stay in the closets and trunks.
Winner of the prestigious Автомат Калашникова образца 1947 года award for excellence in rural travel.

User avatar
Netpackrat
Probably Unemployed
Posts: 12200
Joined: Sat Aug 16, 2008 12:04 am
Location: Anchorage, AK

Re: Used shotguns, Rem 870s or Mossberg 500s

Postby Netpackrat » Sat Sep 13, 2008 2:31 am

The 500s have kind of a spotty reputation as to reliability and/or build quality. If you get a good one they are great, but if you don't get a good one... I have never heard of anyone getting a bad 870; mine has been dead reliable since my dad gave it to me for Christmas nearly 20 years ago.
Cognosce teipsum et disce pati

"People come and go in our lives, especially the online ones. Some leave a fond memory, and some a bad taste." -Aesop

User avatar
workinwifdakids
Active Shooter
Posts: 3594
Joined: Tue Aug 19, 2008 4:57 am
Location: SoCal
Contact:

Re: Used shotguns, Rem 870s or Mossberg 500s

Postby workinwifdakids » Sun Sep 14, 2008 12:39 am

I vote for the 870, but wouldn't turn a 500 down at a great price.

If you want dirt cheap on a beater gun that works like a brick, try the H&R/NEF Pardner break-action in 12 gauge. You can get a used one for under $100, if you look hard.
And may I say, from a moral point of view, I think there can be no justification for shoving snack cakes up your action.
--Weetabix

User avatar
clyde621
Loose Cannon
Posts: 555
Joined: Tue Aug 19, 2008 3:43 am
Location: NC
Contact:

Re: Used shotguns, Rem 870s or Mossberg 500s

Postby clyde621 » Sun Sep 14, 2008 10:07 pm

You can also look around the pawn shops and find a really beat up 870 and get a good deal. I found one at the local cop shop for $75. My wife had a fit said I threw money away. I cleaned it up and put a new stock then she wanted to know when I bought that one. :mrgreen:
Behind the ostensible government sits enthroned an invisible government owing no allegiance and acknowledging no responsibility to the people.
Theodore Roosevelt

User avatar
308Mike
Moderator
Posts: 16442
Joined: Wed Aug 13, 2008 4:47 pm
Location: San Diego area, People's Republic of Kommiefornia

Re: Used shotguns, Rem 870s or Mossberg 500s

Postby 308Mike » Sun Sep 14, 2008 10:57 pm

Xavier finds all kinds of deals at pawn shops.
POLITICIANS & DIAPERS NEED TO BE CHANGED OFTEN AND FOR THE SAME REASON

A person properly schooled in right and wrong is safe with any weapon. A person with no idea of good and evil is unsafe with a knitting needle, or the cap from a ballpoint pen.

I remain pessimistic given the way BATF and the anti gun crowd have become tape worms in the guts of the Republic. - toad

User avatar
clyde621
Loose Cannon
Posts: 555
Joined: Tue Aug 19, 2008 3:43 am
Location: NC
Contact:

Re: Used shotguns, Rem 870s or Mossberg 500s

Postby clyde621 » Mon Sep 15, 2008 12:13 am

Like Mama says, Pawn Shops are like a box of chocolates, you never know what you are going to find until you get inside. :mrgreen:
Behind the ostensible government sits enthroned an invisible government owing no allegiance and acknowledging no responsibility to the people.
Theodore Roosevelt

eocoolj
Case Shiner
Posts: 278
Joined: Sun Aug 24, 2008 1:11 am

Re: Used shotguns, Rem 870s or Mossberg 500s

Postby eocoolj » Mon Sep 15, 2008 6:58 am

not to jack, but speaking of pawn shops, is anyone here from PA? I've been into several pawn shops in Pennsylvania and none of them have guns. Is there some law in PA against pawning guns, or is it just such a hassle to be an FFL that not many pawn shops deal with it?

User avatar
Mud_Dog
Trigger Junkie
Posts: 1223
Joined: Tue Aug 19, 2008 2:21 am
Location: Fayette-nam, NC

Re: Used shotguns, Rem 870s or Mossberg 500s

Postby Mud_Dog » Mon Sep 15, 2008 7:07 am

eocoolj wrote:not to jack, but speaking of pawn shops, is anyone here from PA? I've been into several pawn shops in Pennsylvania and none of them have guns. Is there some law in PA against pawning guns, or is it just such a hassle to be an FFL that not many pawn shops deal with it?


They have pawn shops in PA? While I was in Pittsburgh I didn't even see one! Maybe it was just that area...
Obamalypse, Part II: The Armening. (-NPR)

eocoolj
Case Shiner
Posts: 278
Joined: Sun Aug 24, 2008 1:11 am

Re: Used shotguns, Rem 870s or Mossberg 500s

Postby eocoolj » Mon Sep 15, 2008 7:43 am

i've only been in a couple of them, in easton. The typical lineup is some beat to hell power tools, a few guitars, and some jewelry. I'm not particularly interested in any of those things.

User avatar
evan price
Trigger Junkie
Posts: 1751
Joined: Tue Aug 19, 2008 11:24 am
Location: OH-IO The heart of it all!

Re: Used shotguns, Rem 870s or Mossberg 500s

Postby evan price » Mon Sep 15, 2008 10:00 am

I would have no trouble about buying a used gun of any kind, including a shotgun, as long as I got to handle it and dry-check the function. You can tell a lot by just looking inside and working the action to get a feel for it. Full of dust bunnies and looks unshot? You got a closet queen. Painted in Krylon Camo and scraped up with a missing front site bead and a dented barrel? You got a truck gun.

Find the big gunstore near you that the cops shop at. The one with all the cruisers from all over the metro area parked out front. Odds are he's the guy who gets the LEO trade-ins and confiscations. There's often some pretty good stuff. The big one here literally gets shopping carts full of guns from the PDs around here regularly.

870's are OK, everybody has one it seems.
Mossberg M500 & M590 are also good. It's really a Ford VS Chevy debate.
I personally don't like tang safeties so I don't like the M500. Otherwise it's a great gun. Only problem I've seen with the Mossys is the fore-end rails spot weld breaks where it attaches to the carrier. You gotta really abuse it or run a whole lot of shells through for that to happen.

The Mossberg Maverick 88 is actually a really good deal, even new. It is 95% of a M500 at 75% of the price. The only difference worth noting is the fore-end. A M500 buttstock works, the fore-end does not. Also the Maverick gets the cross-bolt safety at the trigger guard which I personally prefer.
Don't forget the Winchester 1200/1300 too.

A good used 18.5" barrel pump 12-ga of a common brand should be $200 or less at most gun shops.

I have seen Mav88's new for $169. They are available in a 26" or 18.5" barrel. They are already tactical black polymer furniture so no worries about dinging up nice wood.
Sic gorgiamus allos subjectatos nunc

http://ohioccwforums.org/
Ohioans for Concealed Carry:THE source for Ohio CCW information and discussion!

User avatar
HTRN
Probably Unemployed
Posts: 10676
Joined: Wed Aug 20, 2008 4:05 am
Location: Under your bed with a knife
Contact:

Re: Used shotguns, Rem 870s or Mossberg 500s

Postby HTRN » Fri Sep 19, 2008 8:43 pm

eocoolj wrote:Is there some law in PA against pawning guns


I think there's only 16 Pawnbrokers in the entire state that deal in firearms. Compared to the nearly 3600 regular dealers(both stocking and "kitchen table"), they may be hard to find.


HTRN
EGO partum , proinde EGO sum

Describing what HTRN does as "antics" is like describing the wreck of the Titanic as "a minor boating incident" ~ First Shirt

Interdum feror cupidine partium magnarum Europae vincendarum

User avatar
Lokidude
On a list somewhere
Posts: 2159
Joined: Tue Aug 19, 2008 3:49 am
Location: West Valley, UT
Contact:

Re: Used shotguns, Rem 870s or Mossberg 500s

Postby Lokidude » Sun Sep 21, 2008 7:58 pm

workinwifdakids wrote:I vote for the 870, but wouldn't turn a 500 down at a great price.

If you want dirt cheap on a beater gun that works like a brick, try the H&R/NEF Pardner break-action in 12 gauge. You can get a used one for under $100, if you look hard.


They make a pretty decent pump version, too. I picked mine up new for <$180 a couple years ago, and it's been as reliable as a brick.
workinwifdakids wrote:We've thus far avoided the temptation to jack an entire forum.

But what the hell.


Standing for Truth, Justice, and the American Way!

User avatar
randy
Moderator
Posts: 7166
Joined: Thu Aug 14, 2008 12:33 am
Location: EM79

Re: Used shotguns, Rem 870s or Mossberg 500s

Postby randy » Sun Sep 21, 2008 9:20 pm

Just throwing in my $0.02 worth. I agree with the consensus that either would fill your needs and you can't go wrong no matter which one you pickup.

I personally have a Mossberg 500 I purchased in the mid-80's and it's still going strong. Have used it extensively for Skeet, some Trap and Sporting Clays, and it's been on HD duty for most of that time as well.
...even before I read MHI, my response to seeing a poster for the stars of the latest Twilight movies was "I see 2 targets and a collaborator".


Return to “Beginners Luck”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 2 guests